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Something Earth-Changing is Afoot Among Civil Society
In my youth, I joined a political party, adhered to an ideological idea, believed in working towards a grand societal model for the world.
For some years now, I have observed that there was a shift in the way people thought and organised. At times, I have felt disillusioned by a belief that the social movements of the past were defunct, and that people were preoccupied with their self-interest. But really, there are innumerable examples out there of people working to better the world in their own way, through individual and collective grassroots initiatives, with each little action somehow playing its part in creating the bigger picture without a master plan. Today, though I still hold to my ideals, I believe it is more effective to bring about change by working with others in different ways and for different objectives. Political differences matter, but there is scope to join with people of different convictions around issues of common concern. This is especially true of the general environmental and social health of our planet. An article by Paul Hawken I read today on the Common Dreams website articulates this phenomenon so much better than me. I am posting it for discussion in this forum because it relates to more than the environment. Quote:
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That smells like an activist propaganda campaign speech to me rather than a news report of something happening. At any given momemt, there are probably a million 'campaigns' going on. Most of them have goals that conflict with each other. |
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Now, now, would Mark Twain say that?!
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But where do you read an anthropomorphic argument? Are you talking about the parallels genrally made between genetics and memetics? Quote:
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Such movements only exist when, as Niccolo says, there are ideological conflicts. So, when or if the movements become non-existent does that mean that their goals have been reached or that they've been defeated?
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Namaste,
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In Peace, Eglaelin
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I agree with Eglaelin, it depends. I think there would be many factors that could play a part in the dissolution of a movement. In some cases, yes, the goal could have been reached. But often, the movement evolves or shifts its scope. For example, the suffragette movement gradually disappeared after women obtained the vote, but it progressed to take on other women’s issues, and the women that were part of it also went on to join other campaigns, such as becoming involved in the peace movement, trade unions, etc. So I am not sure that any movement that reached its goal truly ceased to exist. And I am trying to think of a social movement that no longer exists as a result of being defeated and with no potential for revival. Tethys
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Yes, I agree. It depends.
Isn't a movement whose goal has been reached an establishment? A movement is usually only a movement as long as it can maintain an opposition to an establishment. There are lots of social movements that no longer exist on a scale large enough to be called a movement but the chance of revival is quite an important consideration. If we consider that there will always be oppositions to the establishment then what happens when the ecological sustainability that the movement Hawkens has spotted becomes the establishment? Will movements arise that push for even more (social) sustainability and will this continue until we're back brooming each other in the trees again? Or will movements arise that push for personal liberties until we're back driving more and even larger SUV's? And just what am I saying with this? I have no idea. |
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This is extreme anthropomorphing. Only people can be relentless and unafraid. When such terms are applied to non-human things, it just makes the author look foolish, simplistic and unsophisticated. |
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Pretend I'm the editor. "Those in the movement are relentless and unafraid, while those who fail to see this are foolish, simplistic, and unsophisticated." Better?
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Namaste,
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In Peace, Eglaelin
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One definition of crazy is doing the same thing again and again while expecting a different result. This has been my course for discussions in this forum. I keep visiting and expecting good conversation and instead get condecension and insult. Enough and done.
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But I think there are quantative leaps and qualitative leaps in social change. The French Revolution, for example, represented a qualitative leap, whereby a movement became the establishment,I would say. Quote:
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I don’t see social regression taking place as a result of people pushing for more social sustainability. Quite the opposite, it is more likely, in my view, that it would be a mass self-interest push which could lead to social and environmental degeneration. But I agree with MareTranquility’s point here: the back and forth push as a rule leads to equilibrium. Tethys
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