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Old 05-22-2007
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Re: Religion and Business do they mix???

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Being angry can also result in abhorrent acts (of which arson could be one).
Getting behind a wheel can result in abhorrent acts. I think someone is scooting strawmen down a slippery slope here
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Getting behind a wheel can result in abhorrent acts. I think someone is scooting strawmen down a slippery slope here
Who me?
No, I think that's a good example as any.
The point is just that because something can lead to an abhorrent illegal act that in and of itself isn't justification for outlawing it, be it getting angry, having nasty thoughts about white people, or driving.
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But "hate" is an emotion and emotions can't be legislated. If we tried to do so, how would it be done? Just like murderers, rapists, etc., ordinary people could appear to be law-abiding citizens on the surface when inside they're racists. How would you control that?
Good point. Emotions can't be legislated, I agree.

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Being angry can also result in abhorrent acts (of which arson could be one).
Again, good point ...

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Really? I think it's a very good thing to be able to say "I think your opinion are repulsive and wrong, but I respect and support your right to have your own opinion."
The only alternative is to say "I refuse to allow anyone to have opinions I don't like!" That would be bad...in my opinion

Like I said, the argument could be taken to either extreme. I understand your point ... Not quite sure how to counter it since I myself don't advocate removal of freedom of speech/opinion etc.

I guess for me, the right to support the right to be racist menss pretty much the same as ending up implicitly (but maybe unknowingly) encouraging it.
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I guess for me, the right to support the right to be racist menss pretty much the same as ending up implicitly (but maybe unknowingly) encouraging it.
Not really. We do what we can to educate people and discourage racism but the final choice is up to the individual. If they choose to remain ignorant racists, we can't stop them.
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Not really.
Here too, I can see your point ... That's just how I feel. Logically, I am probably wrong on this.

Or perhaps I just need to think more and come up with a counter argument ...

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We do what we can to educate people and discourage racism but the final choice is up to the individual. If they choose to remain ignorant racists, we can't stop them.
I agree. Point well argued ...
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Who me?
No no .. (but you knew that )
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Logically, I am probably wrong on this.
Both logically and practically. You have the exact same right to be anti-racist (or anything else) as anyone has to be racist. Sure, you can say you're encouraging each other that way (although I'll bet racism encourages anti-racism more than the opposite) but it has nothing to do with encouragement through protection of rights.
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I'd rather not add to the problems of the world by supporting racism, tho ...
You'd prefer to add to the problems of the world by supporting government thought control?

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While burning an American flag and being an atheist is different than being a racist, they still boil down to the same thing...a belief system.
The first two activites don't harm others in almost any instance, while the second one leads to action in a lot of cases that do harm others.
And government thought control leads to even More harm. A racially motivated house buring or lynching is a terrible thing. The holocost, Soviet purges, and comparable acts are almost beyond measure.

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I think Satanic worship is evil. Should it be illegal? ... Satanic worshippers may think Christianity is evil but should they be allowed to decide that we outlaw belief in God?
Satanic worship is again something that doesn't affect anyone in this day and age and is different from racism.
This seems to be the root of our differences - Thinking in the moment rather than considering the big picture. We have an oil shortage, and a huge military... perhaps we should just take over Saudi Arabia? The people in Iraq are giving us a lot of trouble... perhaps we should just wipe them all out? Big corporations are often unfair to common people... perhaps we should tax them out of existence? Racism causes a lot of injustices... perhaps we should allow the government to regulate what children can and cannot be taught? These are all great short-term solutions, but with longer-term consequences that are worse than the original problem(s).
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