I’ve tended to call myself agnostic, but I never felt the term was very accurate. My position doesn’t seem to fit with the definitions given here either. To me, theism implies belief in the existance of a specific entity (or entities). While I’m open to the possibility of a higher power, it could just as easily be something non-specific, indifferent, and diffuse, more of an abstract force than a reasoning being.

All in all , I find pondering the existance of gods or God to be a fruitless waste of time, so like most people who call themselves agnostic, I approach the whole issue with a “who gives a shit?” attitude. That’s my definition of an “honest agnostic.”

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There you are!

Why is it so damn hard for you to accept that Agnostics simply believe as they do?

This horseshit that it's an American political term is utter nonsense. To help you out a little, here's the dictionary definition, which can be found here:

agnostic
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agnostic[1,noun]agnostic[2,adjective]

Main Entry: 1ag·nos·tic
Pronunciation: ag-'näs-tik, &g-
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek agnOstos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnOstos known, from gignOskein to know -- more at KNOW
1 : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2 : a person unwilling to commit to an opinion about something <political agnostics>
- ag·nos·ti·cism /-t&-"si-z&m/ noun

Now, maybe you can help me out, because I see neither the words "political" or "American" in that definition...

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Because as I said, I cant imagine being in doubt on the existance of god for a longer period. Unless you just dont give a crap but at some point a wealthy person must start wondering about bigger things like our existance, the meaning of life, how space and time formed.

Youre gonna pick sides: you either believe something purposely set the world up to be the way it is now or you believe it is an amazing combination of odds which started billions of years ago and lead to your birth. In case you were wondering im going for the second aproach.

What in the Hell does wealth have to do with a belief or disbelief in God? And, if it did have something to do with belief or disbelief, is wealth only an "American" thing? Are there not wealthy people outside the United States?

Sorry, but you've officially lost me...

Those might be the only two options which you allow for, but that, in no way, means there are only two options...

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Its sort of an euphemism for not believing in god. Euphemisms are pure political therms.

If youre struggeling to feed your family and fullfill youre basic needs you already have a meaning in your life. Once you reach the point where you are wealthy youre looking for a new meaning of life.

Well I have quite a big imagination, but I cant imagine youre picking "Dont know" in one of the questions of life. How would you know how to live?

What's a euphemism? "Agnostic"? "Wealthy"

You continue to make, at best, little sense.

And, for Pete's sake, it's "term", not "therm"...

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Do you make this shit up as you go along?

Your assertion may hold true, but please don't operate under the delusion that it applies to everyone...

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Agnostic is used as an euphemism for atheist.

Thanks I'll keep that in mind. I didnt know how this word is pronounced.

Its called the progressive utilization theory (I think). Its sort of a socialist theory that acknowledges that people have certain needs that must be met in order for them to grow physically, mentally, and spiritually.

Strong agnosticism might be somewhat incomprehensible.

Weak agnosticism is perfectly rational, and really, it is the only intellectually honest stance one could take towards the question of god.

I someone asks me what will happen exactly a year from now in the world my only honest answer could be, "i don't know". I don't have access to enough data or the knowledge to interpret that data to be able to honestly state what the future holds, as a certainty.

The same is true with the question of god. Nobody has access to all the data required or the ability to analyze the data properly in order to come to an honest and true conclusion.


All that we know is that there is a mystery. Why would anybody want to insist on pretending to solve the mystery?

Andrew

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You have to define what you are talking about.

On one hand I am 100% atheistic in regard to the hundreds of goofy anthropomorphic gods of human culture.

Yet, on the other hand, I waver between strong and weak agnosticism on the question of what created existence.... why does something exist rather than nothing?

These are two different questions. One is not a euphemism for the other.

Andrew

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So andrew. You dont know if there is a god, you may hold the option open, but you dont believe in god. Doesnt that make you an atheist? Why use "agnost"?

I know we have had a similar discussion before and I understand that most people find it very offensive when you question their thoughs on the most fundamental thing of the world. But all I'm seeing is a weaker term for atheism.

I suspect many self-professed agnostics treat the question of God in much the same way most people treat the question of "Does intelligent life exist on other planets?"
They admit that its possible, but they haven't been convinced that its true.
But that doesn't mean they believe such aliens don't exist either.

I certainly don't believe in the gods that have manifested themselves out of human imagination as a response to the mystery. We are all atheists in that regard, every single one of us. Even all the hard-core Abrahamic devotees are atheists with respect to most of the gods that human culture has ever devised.


But when it comes to the true genuine mystery that has given rise to gods, i am truly an agnostic. Gnostos is the greek word for known (knowledge). Throw the A as a privative in front of it expressing negation and it means not-known, or no knowledge of. This is just me being honest. I really don't know, neither do you, nor does anyone else for that matter. The mystery remains, as it should.

I find it offensive that people would pretend to have a true answer to the mystery when in reality they simply don't know. Such dishonest beliefs effect all of our lives and I'm here to fight against it.

Andrew

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I think that's true. There's also, at least in my case, a lack of worry one way or the other. There's nothing I can do about the existence of god(s). There's no way for me to know. So, why expend the energy worrying about it?

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