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Re: Possible advantages of (constitutional) monarchies over Republics
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Re: Possible advantages of (constitutional) monarchies over Republics
One of the advantages of a constitutional monarchy is that you have a non-partisan, impartial Head of State. When a government cannot be formed, the monarch can intervene and nobody can think that he/she favours any particular party. This is the case in Belgium right now, where a government has still to be formed after the June general election.
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Every president knows that once he got into that office, party politics is history. And the people of Austria see it exactly the same way. Thats also the reason why the president of Austria always has nearly illusionary high support rates. The current President is also considered to have played an important part in the creation of the current coalition. At least in my eyes that looks like a president can do this as well as the king, you just have to take away from him power over the daily politics.
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Re: Possible advantages of (constitutional) monarchies over Republics
It is also a well known fact that the King of the Belgians has always been a neutral part between the two major populations of Belgium, the Vallonians and the Flemings.
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And people dont want to see a politician up there who still follows a partisan agenda. Presidents who act biased, won't be elected a second time, but the Presidents normally want to be elected a second time. The point is, the president is not dependant on any party any more, he does not need the support of any of them. To a large part because the Parliament has no say over him only the people directly. The last decades I dont think it ever took place that a President acted politically biased. Principally I really think its a difference in traditions. You know our President is the Emperor the Austrians always wanted to have. A father (or mother) like integration figure above nasty politics but to make sure he is above politics without rather little power over them. But dont forget, also the Austrian President was once something new, it has not always been there. But I think in its present form our republic (and with it also our president office) is a child of both, the first Republic and the second World War. Its like father and son, while the father was an unemployed rambling alchoholic who failed, the son with the genes of the father took the lectures and got the ambition to get done what the father failed at and surprisingly succeded.
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Re: Possible advantages of (constitutional) monarchies over Republics
Yes in Belgium the monarch is a crucial figure. It really could be that in multiethnic states a monarchy is a quite good thing. I think back at what role the emperor Franz Joseph played in the later decades. Without him the whole monarchy would have crumbled apart instantly. The whole state was just kept together through the loyalty to the emperor. Even though he was himself a German speaking Austrian, the emperor did not consider himself as representor of the German speakinig ethnicity but of all the peoples in his empire. Of coures thats not the entire truth, but its no lie either.
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Damn it I was not aware of that... Anyway, I think thats a myth. Nationalism was neither caused by such a step nor was it sparked by it. It was just a small stone nationalism from all sides tried to use for its own cause. German was not the sole official language in the monarchy either. I might be an ignorant but I tend to believe that if the heir to the throne would not have been shot in Sarajevo and hence Franz Joseph dying soon afterwards in peace with a new reformer taking over the power, chances would have been good that effective reforms would have been taken on and the risk for a suicidal war would have decreased dramatically. Austria-Hungary could have transormed than in the first and only truly supranational constitutional monarchy where many nations could live in far reaching autonomy but join up forces under the crown where its to the benefit of all.
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Re: Possible advantages of (constitutional) monarchies over Republics
I am not sure which year, but he became German Emperor in 1765, ruler of the Habsburg lands from 1780 and died in 1790. Most of the reforms were made after 1780, if I remember correctly.
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Maybe we are both ignorant?
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![]() Isnt it funny that the Habsburg who was the claimant of the throne has become a great integration figure of paneuropeanism after WWII? The hell, he was even "parlamentarian" in the European Parliament in its early days when it was kept short... But the idea alone... the claiment of the throne becomes a MP....
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Re: Possible advantages of (constitutional) monarchies over Republics
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When the Nazis came for the communists I remained silent, I was no communist. When the Nazis came for the Unionists I remained silent, I was no Unionist. When the Nazis came for the Social Democrats I remained silent, I was no Social Democrat. When the Nazis came for the Jews I remained silent, I was no Jew. When the Nazis came for me, there was no one left who could protest. |