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Old 08-29-2007
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Re: When would you like to die?

Something else occured to me, and reinforced my decision to die at the age of 100 - money. If I choose to live to, say, 300, then how will I afford food, clothing, and shelter? Shit, I won't be able to retire at age 67 and expect to live off of my savings for another 233 years. Which means I'll have to keep working, at least till age 200 or so. Screw that. I hate work.
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Re: When would you like to die?

Who doesn't? But yeah you're right...and imagine how much things would cost in like 200 years, inflation adjusted your savings would have no value at all after the first half century or so.
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Something else occured to me, and reinforced my decision to die at the age of 100 - money. If I choose to live to, say, 300, then how will I afford food, clothing, and shelter? Shit, I won't be able to retire at age 67 and expect to live off of my savings for another 233 years. Which means I'll have to keep working, at least till age 200 or so. Screw that. I hate work.
Nah, if you're gonna live for centuries then all you have to do is master the notion of compounded interest.

I think Scott Adams uses a similar idea to end poverty in the future. His notion is that, since probably invested funds will grow at a rate slightly greater than the growth rate of the global population, all we have to do open a one dollar savings account for every person on earth today (that is to say, one account each). Since the interest should slightly out-pace population growth, the money-invested-per-person will steadily climb higher and higher as the centuries pass. Then, in the distant future, everyone can go to the bank to get their millions. At that point, the bankers of the future will inform all these people that their original $1 was immediately absorbed in fees centuries ago and that all the accounts are empty. Then all the people will murder the bankers, take all of their money, and everyone will be rich.
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Re: When would you like to die?

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Re: When would you like to die?

About 500 years would be fine, as long as I stay young for all that time. Immortality is way too long without the option of suicide. Why not 600, 700, 2000 years? Because 500 is the longest time that I can somehow "picture" in my head. Ahead of that, there's just "a very, very, very long time".
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Re: When would you like to die?

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Nah, if you're gonna live for centuries then all you have to do is master the notion of compounded interest.

I think Scott Adams uses a similar idea to end poverty in the future. His notion is that, since probably invested funds will grow at a rate slightly greater than the growth rate of the global population, all we have to do open a one dollar savings account for every person on earth today (that is to say, one account each). Since the interest should slightly out-pace population growth, the money-invested-per-person will steadily climb higher and higher as the centuries pass. Then, in the distant future, everyone can go to the bank to get their millions. At that point, the bankers of the future will inform all these people that their original $1 was immediately absorbed in fees centuries ago and that all the accounts are empty. Then all the people will murder the bankers, take all of their money, and everyone will be rich.
.... everyone will stop working to spend their money, basic goods will become more and more rare, inflation will skyrockett and everyone will be poor again.
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Re: When would you like to die?

I want as long as it takes to complete the task of truly caring for others before myself, if it only takes the years I have at this point, then I am ready to go now.
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Re: When would you like to die?

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Who doesn't?
I don't hate work. I may hate my job at times but I don't hate work. A life without productive effort is simply existences. Perhaps the reason you hate work is that your doing the wrong job. If you work doesn't make you happy then your in the wrong vocation. Notice that I said vocation instead of job. When you do what you feel called to do things work a lot better. I have a job at Walmart while I build the resources to do what I love but I seek to approach my work as service to others instead of something I have to do.

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Pai Chang was the Zen Master famous for establishing the Zen monastic rule. He was always very insistent on working every day. When he was old he persisted in this, and the monks felt sorry for him so they hid his tools. He said, "I have no virtue. Why should others work for me?" And he refused to eat. He said, "A day of no work is a day of no eating." This saying became very famous in Zen circles, and to this day the Zen schools are noted for their practice of work.
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Re: When would you like to die?

Perhaps he simply meant that he prefers other activities compared to work. Maybe he doesn't hate work, but he'd rather do something else - fpr example having sex, getting stoned, climbing the everest, whatever. I'm saying that because I'm in the same situation .
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Perhaps he simply meant that he prefers other activities compared to work. Maybe he doesn't hate work, but he'd rather do something else - fpr example having sex, getting stoned, climbing the everest, whatever. I'm saying that because I'm in the same situation .
You're exactly right, IIIX - in that order.

I actually like my line of work. I'd just rather be doing something else much of the time.
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Re: When would you like to die?

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I actually like my line of work. I'd just rather be doing something else much of the time.
If you'd rather be doing something else most of the time then I would say that your not doing what you feel you were meant to do.

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If you'd rather be doing something else most of the time then I would say that your not doing what you feel you were meant to do.

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Re: When would you like to die?

I'm meant to drink beer and scuba dive.

Alas, not much of a job market for that.
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Well, its a little late for me but I'm still up and a little bored (so I'm sorry if this is a stupid thread) and I thought I'd try out a question I've been pondering of late. Namely this:

If you were given the ability, right now, to determine the length of your own life, how long would you give yourself? 100 years? 1,000? Total immortality?

If you have an answer already, that's great; but if you're like me you'll want some more specifics, so here they are:
* The time you pick is relative to your personal frame of reference
* You make the choice now for all time; no changing your mind later (not even via suicide, see below)
* Until the time you set, it will be impossible for you to die by any means. You'll still be subject to injury and disease and all that, but will have the miraculous ability to eventually recover from anything, always returning (given enough time) to a state of relative health. Should you be truly vaporized or sucked into a black hole or some such, you'll just reappear elsewhere instantly...try not to think about it too hard.
* When your set time comes, your body and mind will simply switch off; it will be instant, painless and without any advance warning.

So, how long do you want to live? How long would be too long? And what would you do differently given your pre-set lifespan? Or would you turn down the choice and stick with the unknown date you have now?

Personally, I think I would just stick with the unknown or, if I had to choose, give myself about two centuries. But even that feels risky; if we nuke the earth into a cinder sometime this century, those last decades would be pretty dull, and likely uncomfortable.
Tough question isn't it?

My choices would either be immortality but I could commit suicide, (which you already excluded), not much choice at all, (i.e., as it is now), or die now.

The thought of being committed to immortality is too much to bear. What if I've reached the limit of my learning capacity? What if "relative health" were the equivalent of an 80 year old? What if everyone died but me and there was no one to talk to, nothing to explore, nowhere to go...forever? That's like that hole in space they found the other day.
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Re: When would you like to die?

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Question: What are we meant to do? That smells of deism.
Not necessarily so. What you were meant to do could be the result of what you perceive as deity has influenced to do. Mostly what I am talking about is the inner feeling and attraction to something that draws us. Something that draws forth that inner creativity. For me, what I feel called to do involves space exploration and peace work. I am currently drawn to non-violent toys and games. In particular non-violent action figures that teach things. From the earliest times I have been drawn towards space. Of course, this is why I was such a nerd in school. Life has simply distracted me from that goal but what I feel I was meant to do has not changed.

Some people draw that meaning for life from a belief in god. For me, god is a part of human experience but you can find a definition for what you were meant to do without needing to find god in order to do so.

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