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Old 08-31-2007
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Re: When would you like to die?

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I'm meant to drink beer and scuba dive.

Alas, not much of a job market for that.
You might be surprised if you look at the right location. I am quite sure that you could build a career out of it by becoming an underwater tour guide at some beach hot-spot.

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Greetings and Felicitations,



If you'd rather be doing something else most of the time then I would say that your not doing what you feel you were meant to do.

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Help me out here. What kind of career advice could you give a guy who likes drink, smoke pot, have sex, play guitar... wait, I just figured it out - I wanna be a rock star!
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I don't hate work. I may hate my job at times but I don't hate work. A life without productive effort is simply existences. Perhaps the reason you hate work is that your doing the wrong job. If you work doesn't make you happy then your in the wrong vocation. Notice that I said vocation instead of job. When you do what you feel called to do things work a lot better. I have a job at Walmart while I build the resources to do what I love but I seek to approach my work as service to others instead of something I have to do.
I love my job, just hate working. However i have the beneift of being able to go very long periods of time without actually doing any work, which is great relief. I love it to bits and could do it all day everyday were it not for the fact i'm so lazy.
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Re: When would you like to die?

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Not necessarily so. What you were meant to do could be the result of what you perceive as deity has influenced to do. Mostly what I am talking about is the inner feeling and attraction to something that draws us. Something that draws forth that inner creativity. For me, what I feel called to do involves space exploration and peace work. I am currently drawn to non-violent toys and games. In particular non-violent action figures that teach things. From the earliest times I have been drawn towards space. Of course, this is why I was such a nerd in school. Life has simply distracted me from that goal but what I feel I was meant to do has not changed.

Some people draw that meaning for life from a belief in god. For me, god is a part of human experience but you can find a definition for what you were meant to do without needing to find god in order to do so.

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Fair enough.

But doesn't the idea of human imperfection impinge here? You can't be certain that what you think is right for you actually is. Humans are quite often mistaken about things - especially their wants and dislikes.

Indeed, the idea of 'do your own thing' has probably caused more marriage breakups and bad career moves than anything else. I might even suggest that 'do your own thing' seems to breed a 'net' amount of unhappiness.

For example, one of my best friends always dreamed of owning a restaurant/bar gave up his very well paying job in engineering and managed to blow his entire life savings and retirement fund on a restaurant that lasted a single year before going broke. He's totally broke now and looking for work in his old field again - he needs to make a living. His love of owning/running a restaurant is still strong, but functionally useless to him.
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Re: When would you like to die?

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Fair enough.

But doesn't the idea of human imperfection impinge here? You can't be certain that what you think is right for you actually is. Humans are quite often mistaken about things - especially their wants and dislikes.
Of course, human imperfection is a factor but only as far as your willing to allow it to be so. You can't really be certain of anything at all. Not even breathing but that doesn't stop you from breathing. You can only determine if something is right for you by determining what is right for you. If it makes you happy (really happy and not simply materialistically happy) then it is right for you. Despite popular opinion a great many things that are determiners of happiness are only determiners of pleasure.

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Indeed, the idea of 'do your own thing' has probably caused more marriage breakups and bad career moves than anything else. I might even suggest that 'do your own thing' seems to breed a 'net' amount of unhappiness.
Perhaps but you will never know unless you try. A great many people end up living completely unhappy lives because they insist on doing things that they don't enjoy. The phrase "do you own thing" very often involves just jumping into things without preparation.

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For example, one of my best friends always dreamed of owning a restaurant/bar gave up his very well paying job in engineering and managed to blow his entire life savings and retirement fund on a restaurant that lasted a single year before going broke. He's totally broke now and looking for work in his old field again - he needs to make a living. His love of owning/running a restaurant is still strong, but functionally useless to him.
Is it. Perhaps its just out-of-reach at the current moment. Did he make sure he knew what was going on before he jumped in. Did he try to learn about the career or did he just jump in at the top of the field and try to swim. Did he try to live according to his old lifestyle or realize that he needed to change more than his job. There is a book that I am using currently that is very good. Zen and the Art of Making a Living: A Practical Guide to Creative Career Design (Arkana) (Paperback).

Perhaps he needed to analyze his lifestyle before he started working on what he wanted to do. Perhaps he would have found out that he had an unrealistic appraisal of the requirments.

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Is it. Perhaps its just out-of-reach at the current moment. Did he make sure he knew what was going on before he jumped in. Did he try to learn about the career or did he just jump in at the top of the field and try to swim. Did he try to live according to his old lifestyle or realize that he needed to change more than his job. There is a book that I am using currently that is very good. Zen and the Art of Making a Living: A Practical Guide to Creative Career Design (Arkana) (Paperback).

Perhaps he needed to analyze his lifestyle before he started working on what he wanted to do. Perhaps he would have found out that he had an unrealistic appraisal of the requirments.

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Perhaps 'what is right for you' is just an arbitrary, relativist and highly subjective notion with no substantive meaning. It is apparently the label that is applied retroactively to what we like as if it was meant for us. Or rather, a delusion of ego.

Btw, Zen and the art of Motorcycles was one of the most stupidest and most pretentious novels I've ever had the displeasure of reading. Half-baked Kant is what I make of that book. I can't imagine how that book has spawned a series!
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Re: When would you like to die?

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Perhaps 'what is right for you' is just an arbitrary, relativist and highly subjective notion with no substantive meaning. It is apparently the label that is applied retroactively to what we like as if it was meant for us. Or rather, a delusion of ego.
Perhaps. However, when determining purpose what else are you going to rely on. Happiness is a subjective, arbitrary and relativistic term but humans spend a lot of time trying to find happiness. We spend a lot of time trying to find things to make us happy when happiness can not be found without it can only be found within. If your going to be doing something why not do what makes you happy.

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Btw, Zen and the art of Motorcycles was one of the most stupidest and most pretentious novels I've ever had the displeasure of reading. Half-baked Kant is what I make of that book. I can't imagine how that book has spawned a series!
The title was Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. I read it in high school and did not bring a lot from the novel. Of course, I spent a lot of time studying real Zen and not the Americanized version of it. My favorite book is Way of the Peaceful Warrior. You would probably find it just as irrelevant to you as Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.

For me, I prefer to work in such a way to mazimize my happiness and the happiness of others. You can proceed as you will.

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Re: When would you like to die?

I am going to go for immortality if given a choice.. and the only reason is because i dont know what happens that split second after you go from Life to death.. so.. fear of death would be the final reason why I chose immortality over a certain time period. If it could be proven that the lights dont just shut off forever then.. I could maybe nail down a smaller number. but since I am the perennial narcissist I will say immortality please..

now.. time for some skydiving.
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I am going to go for immortality if given a choice.. and the only reason is because i dont know what happens that split second after you go from Life to death.. so.. fear of death would be the final reason why I chose immortality over a certain time period. If it could be proven that the lights dont just shut off forever then.. I could maybe nail down a smaller number. but since I am the perennial narcissist I will say immortality please..

now.. time for some skydiving.
Actually, I'm surprised no one brought this up before. I suspect that if I had absolute confidence that my life would last X-many years, the way I live my life over those X-many years would change drastically.
I feel I would engage in a considerably more adrenaline filled life-style, though I wonder if such an assurance of (at least temporary) immortality would increase or decrease the quality of life.
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Actually, I'm surprised no one brought this up before. I suspect that if I had absolute confidence that my life would last X-many years, the way I live my life over those X-many years would change drastically.
I feel I would engage in a considerably more adrenaline filled life-style, though I wonder if such an assurance of (at least temporary) immortality would increase or decrease the quality of life.
Yeah, I thought about that too. I love skiing, and I think I would be able to easily earn a living with extreme free-riding if I was immortal.
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It would certainly be awesome to see the sun explode one calm and peaceful morning about 4 billion years from now.

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It would certainly be awesome to see the sun explode one calm and peaceful morning about 4 billion years from now.

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I really wonder how long you'd get to admire the view...
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I really wonder how long you'd get to admire the view...
Assuming the heat travels somewhat slower than the speed of light you might get a few minutes....

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Actually, I'm surprised no one brought this up before. I suspect that if I had absolute confidence that my life would last X-many years, the way I live my life over those X-many years would change drastically.
I feel I would engage in a considerably more adrenaline filled life-style, though I wonder if such an assurance of (at least temporary) immortality would increase or decrease the quality of life.
If you knew you were not going to die as a certainty, the excitement might be lost.

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