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drgoodtrips · #16 (**permalink**) 09-20-2007

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Originally Posted by Beer

a draft. I wouldnt do it nor would I go to jail. Ide fight to the death.

Fight who?

And, that seems like a completely assinine position. You would give your life to avoid maybe giving your life?

Captain Trips · #17 (**permalink**) 09-20-2007

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Originally Posted by drgoodtrips

Fight who?

And, that seems like a completely assinine position. You would give your life to avoid maybe giving your life?

I know it's tempting to put two S's in asinine :-)

But they don't belong LOL

liberty1776 · #18 (**permalink**) 09-20-2007

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Originally Posted by Traveler

Wow, what an absurd thread!

There are folk that live in opression and despair all around the world (real tyranny and not just some useless crap from some spastic liberal about Bush) and even they can't overthrow a dictatorial government with such incredible animosity towards the leaders of the country from pretty much 80 to 90% of the people.

What hairbrained banana assed idea would it be that we could possibly have a revolution? Dear God!

Perhaps the fact that a group of lowly, untrained rebels overthrew Great Britain, the wrold's superpower.

liberty1776 · #19 (**permalink**) 09-20-2007

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Originally Posted by Beer

a draft. I wouldnt do it nor would I go to jail. Ide fight to the death.

I am 21 and I havn't even registered.

Miranda · #20 (**permalink**) 09-20-2007

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Originally Posted by liberty1776

I am 21 and I haven't even registered.

Not to be a smartass, but are you sure?

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LAWS LINKING SSS REGISTRATION TO STATE DRIVER'S LICENSE APPLICATIONS

Federal law (50 U.S.C. App. 451 et seq.) requires virtually all male U.S. citizens, as well as immigrant men residing in the U.S., to register with the Selective Service System (SSS) when reaching age 18. In an effort to ensure compliance among young men, many states have enacted legislation which links SSS registration with the process of applying for a driver's license or state identification card. As a result of such legislation, in May 2002, the state of Delaware, which enacted driver's license legislation in 2000, became the first state to reach nearly 100 percent registration compliance since the Agency began compiling this data. In that same year, seven other states increased their compliance rates by 3 percent or more after enacting similar driver's license legislation.

Maintaining a high compliance rate is of concern to officials because it means that any future draft instituted by Congress and the President in a national emergency would be fair and equitable. Also, men who fail to register with Selective Service are not eligible for certain programs and benefits that the Congress and 30 state legislatures have linked to registration. They include student loans and grants for college, most government jobs, and job training. Additionally, immigrant men residing in the U.S. who fail to register when they are at least 18 years old, but not yet 26 years old, may be denied U.S. citizenship by the Immigration and Naturalization Service.

Description of Typical State Driver’s License Legislation

These laws are simple and inexpensive to implement. They instruct the state’s Department of Public Safety or Motor Vehicles to include a consent statement on all applications or renewals for driver’s permits, licenses, and identification cards. The statement tells the applicant that by submitting the application he is consenting to his registration with the SSS, if so required by Federal law. Females are not required to register with SSS under current law. Men 26 years of age or beyond are too old to register.

Transmission of applicant data to the SSS is accomplished electronically through an existing arrangement each state has with the data sharing system of the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators (AAMVAnet) at no extra cost to the state.

Status of State Driver’s License Legislation

As of May 11, 2007, 36 states, 3 territories, and the District of Columbia have enacted driver’s license laws supporting SSS registration. They are: (1) Enacted and Implemented - Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Guam, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, the Virgin Islands, and the District of Columbia; (2) Enacted But Not Yet Implemented – Indiana, Maryland and Michigan. .

http://www.sss.gov/FSdrivers.htm

* Let me add that I don't know that much about it, I just recalled a friends husband talking about registering a few months back.

Speakeasy · #21 (**permalink**) 09-20-2007

Yea, if you don't register before the age of 26, you can get pretty screwed. While the government can prosecute you, they haven't done so in 20 or so years. In addition, you will be permanently ineligible for almost any sort of government benefits, jobs, etc.

There's not going to be a draft any time soon, so it isn't worth not signing up.

drgoodtrips · #22 (**permalink**) 09-20-2007

And, if there is a draft, just say that you're a homosexual.

White Rabbit · #23 (**permalink**) 09-20-2007

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Originally Posted by drgoodtrips

And, if there is a draft, just say that you're a homosexual.

I almost would like to see the USA re-institute the draft just to watch a bunch of warmongering young conservative Christian Republicans using the homosexual dodge to avoid the draft. That would be priceless.

Do you think any of them could top Dick Cheney's four deferrments?

Speakeasy · #24 (**permalink**) 09-20-2007

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Originally Posted by White Rabbit

I almost would like to see the USA re-institute the draft just to watch a bunch of warmongering young conservative Christian Republicans using the homosexual dodge to avoid the draft. That would be priceless.

Do you think any of them could top Dick Cheney's four deferrments?

I can see the headline now, "85% of Military Aged American Men Are Homosexual, CNN/Gallup Poll Finds"

liberty1776 · #25 (**permalink**) 09-21-2007

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Originally Posted by Miranda

Not to be a smartass, but are you sure?

* Let me add that I don't know that much about it, I just recalled a friends husband talking about registering a few months back.

Rats! My state, Georgia, is on the list! Nooooooooooooo!

liberty1776 · #26 (**permalink**) 09-21-2007

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Originally Posted by Speakeasy

Yea, if you don't register before the age of 26, you can get pretty screwed. While the government can prosecute you, they haven't done so in 20 or so years. In addition, you will be permanently ineligible for almost any sort of government benefits, jobs, etc.

There's not going to be a draft any time soon, so it isn't worth not signing up.

It looks like I am already signed up for it. Oh well.

Right after I turned 18, I got a bunch of nasty letters telling me to register. Now, I don't get them anymore.

JHC · #27 (**permalink**) 09-21-2007

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Originally Posted by soot

If the government ever decided to take your weapons and you resisted they'd back off to a safe distance and then send a Marine MEU/SOC in to take them.

I think that would result in plenty of bloodshed and in the end you'd still lose your guns.

You'd have to resort to using IEDs and detonating them in the town square to kill American servicemen coming to impose the will of the government (sound familiar?).

I don't think there would be any way to successfully revolt against the American government unless things had come to such a point that the government had for the large part ceased to function.

Waco.
Ruby Ridge.

Speakeasy · #28 (**permalink**) 09-21-2007

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Originally Posted by liberty1776

It looks like I am already signed up for it. Oh well.

Right after I turned 18, I got a bunch of nasty letters telling me to register. Now, I don't get them anymore.

LOL, I remember my selective service letters getting steadily meaner the longer I took to sign up. At first they were happy postcards with birthday cakes on them, asking me kindly to send in my information. A month or two later they were these no frills official looking letters telling me to 'sign up or else'...

wrxsti · #29 (**permalink**) 09-21-2007

I'd assume if there were a draft deferments would still be in place. College education towards a useful degree (engineering, accounting, doctor, lawyer, not some liberal arts bs) should be included. I'd like to see a cash payment option - perhaps $250,000 - as an option as well. It makes no sense to send the cream of our society (people like me, for example) to do army grunt work that can be handled by folks much less capable.

JHC · #30 (**permalink**) 09-21-2007

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Originally Posted by wrxsti

I'd assume if there were a draft deferments would still be in place. College education towards a useful degree (engineering, accounting, doctor, lawyer, not some liberal arts bs) should be included. I'd like to see a cash payment option - perhaps $250,000 - as an option as well. It makes no sense to send the cream of our society (people like me, for example) to do army grunt work that can be handled by folks much less capable.

yeah. No deferments for stupid ass degrees like Business Administration. I agree.

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