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Old 09-24-2007
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Re: What is your boiling point?

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Re: plagarism.

Are you aware that computers, software and the internet make it so that faculty can catch plagarism about 95% of the time?

Are you aware that university professors are banned from acting upon this information gained this way?

The university administrations are complicite in this explosion of plagarism. Apparently to enforce traditional rules of plagarism would empty the universities of 50% of their students and that is too catastrophic to consider - so plagarism is now tolerated in undergrads.

And I definitely have philosophic issues with many MBA programs. They get what they teach alright, no doubt of that. It is what they are taught that is so questionable.

And the demand for MBA's is just credentialism run amok. BA's in marketing or commerce are a dime a dozen and that market is flooded. Ergo, MBA is needed to be noticed. It is the students driving demand for MBA's not the private market.
No, I was not aware that 95% of plagiarism could be caught by faculty. I would think it would be quite a lengthy process.

I'll tell you what, I'd guess at least half of the Science Fair projects contributed by 13 year olds are plagiarized at least in part, right from the internet. I know the teachers know this but who's going to check every project for plagiarism.

I narc'ed on a fellow Calculus student for cheating on a test (while earning my business degree ), only to be lectured about loyalty and my rat-like behavior. I caused the student to fail and I did feel bad for him but I was busting my ass just to earn a "B" on a curve. I was embarrassed at the time, kinda pisses me off in retrospect.
Now, this wasn't a "Business" class, it was a "Math" class. I was the Business major, the other guy was...a Math major. The teacher wasn't in the College of Business...

Still, any field is susceptible to fraud and incompetence. I would argue that any field that offers the highest potential opportunity for success after college is also the most competitive and the most susceptible to fraud.

I can't argue your last point.
Philosophy doesn't tend to attract people whose main purpose in life is to make money. History and Law are popular fields for politicians who might be considered some of the most competitive and nefarious of all members of society. Philosophy would serve a politician well, wouldn't you say? But I don't remember any recent politicians with degrees in philosophy.
So yes, there is something to your last comment.
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Re: What is your boiling point?

Funny, I've never met a single professor who wouldn't fail and push for the explusion of a student who was plagiarizing. They take it very seriously at my school.

Cheating? Same thing. I've never seen it, but the profs that I know would have no tolerance for it whatsoever.
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Re: What is your boiling point?

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Funny, I've never met a single professor who wouldn't fail and push for the explusion of a student who was plagiarizing. They take it very seriously at my school.

Cheating? Same thing. I've never seen it, but the profs that I know would have no tolerance for it whatsoever.
Yeah, here too. In fact, when I was a TA we had a short workshop on how to spot plagarism and what to do about it (you can put in part of the paper as a search string, which will sometimes turn up proof of plagarism). We have an honor code which is taken very seriously; an automatic 'F' in the course for a first offence, and expulsion for repeat offences.
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Re: What is your boiling point?

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Yeah, here too. In fact, when I was a TAwe had a short workshop on how to spot plagiarism and what to do about it (you can put in part of the paper as a search string, which will sometimes turn up proof of plagiarism). We have an honor code which is taken very seriously; an automatic 'F' in the course for a first offense, and expulsion for repeat offenses.
It really blows my mind that anyone would try to plagiarize anymore - its way too easy to get caught and its too much to lose, IMO. Cheating is in the same vein, and its been an issue at my current school. Students giving other students the question to future tests/quizzes.

I've cheated one time, and got busted. It was on a bible test (12 years ago), and somehow I was able to get out of it without word ever reaching my parents. I'd never do it again. Not just because I am paranoid, and don't have enough room on my hand () but because its just flat out wrong and if I don't want a test, I don't need to be in college.
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