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Old 09-19-2007
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What is your boiling point?

I have been thinking about this. At what point would you be willing to fight against the government? I mean actually fight against the government, using weapons. Is there one specific law that would make you say, "Ok, that's it."

For me, I think it might have to be if the national government ever imposed a complete firearm restriction. It seems that when this was done in the past, it resulted in a lot of death.
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Old 09-19-2007
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Re: What is your boiling point?

Every country in the world is three missed meals away from a revolution.
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Old 09-19-2007
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Re: What is your boiling point?

If the government ever decided to take your weapons and you resisted they'd back off to a safe distance and then send a Marine MEU/SOC in to take them.

I think that would result in plenty of bloodshed and in the end you'd still lose your guns.

You'd have to resort to using IEDs and detonating them in the town square to kill American servicemen coming to impose the will of the government (sound familiar?).

I don't think there would be any way to successfully revolt against the American government unless things had come to such a point that the government had for the large part ceased to function.
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Re: What is your boiling point?

Seems like a strange question. I would "fight the government" with armed resistance if offered no other choice, I suppose (i.e. "the government" came into my house and tried to kill me). Any other fighting that I did would be through whatever legal recourse were available to me.

Bluster about "if they take my guns, I'll go down fighting", as soot alludes to, is rather absurd. They have a name for people who do that - armed felons. Ask a guy who's sticking up the 7-11 for crack, and he'll tell you (probably not very eloquently) that he's reached his "boiling point" with the government for denying him the right to affordable crack.

If you ever see something flash across CNN saying, "legislation passes for..." and you decide to pick up a weapon and start charging police officers, you're likely a lunatic. Even if some sort of revolution were started (and assuming it were morally sound), it wouldn't be people picking up weapons, at first, it would gain a voice through what means it could, and take significant organization before it ever came to any sort of armed conflict.
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Old 09-20-2007
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Re: What is your boiling point?

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For me, I think it might have to be if the national government ever imposed a complete firearm restriction. It seems that when this was done in the past, it resulted in a lot of death.
Why would a complete firearm restriction make you take up arms against the government?
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Old 09-20-2007
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Re: What is your boiling point?

100°C, more or less...
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Re: What is your boiling point?

There are too many variables to give a specific answer. How bad is the 'offense'? How likely is non-violent resistance to work? How much does one have to live for if the offense goes unaddressed? I suppose it's a subset of that last consideration, but what would the impact of the offense and/or of your resistance upon those closest to you?

For better or worse, aggregate answers to those questions amount to 'only something drastically worse than the status quo,' so the governemnt can continue chipping away at our liberties and marginalizing the protesters until we're such a herd of sheep that we'll keep our heads down as long as possible until we eventually have our version of the French revolution.
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Re: What is your boiling point?

I think I'd be more likely to just move to a different country if this one started to suck.
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Re: What is your boiling point?

Wow, what an absurd thread!

There are folk that live in opression and despair all around the world (real tyranny and not just some useless crap from some spastic liberal about Bush) and even they can't overthrow a dictatorial government with such incredible animosity towards the leaders of the country from pretty much 80 to 90% of the people.

What hairbrained banana assed idea would it be that we could possibly have a revolution? Dear God!
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Re: What is your boiling point?

a draft. I wouldnt do it nor would I go to jail. Ide fight to the death.
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Re: What is your boiling point?

You wouldn't die, you'd wind up in jail one way or another, if you were ever drafted that is, and if there was ever a return of the draft that is.
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Re: What is your boiling point?

And that's if you dodged it.
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Re: What is your boiling point?

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I think I'd be more likely to just move to a different country if this one started to suck.
You and me both.

Going around killing people because I don't like they way they vote sounds insane.
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Re: What is your boiling point?

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a draft. I wouldnt do it nor would I go to jail. Ide fight to the death.
Couldn't you just move? The idea of avoiding having to fight by fighting seems pretty illogical.
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Re: What is your boiling point?

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Wow, what an absurd thread!

There are folk that live in opression and despair all around the world (real tyranny and not just some useless crap from some spastic liberal about Bush) and even they can't overthrow a dictatorial government with such incredible animosity towards the leaders of the country from pretty much 80 to 90% of the people.

What hairbrained banana assed idea would it be that we could possibly have a revolution? Dear God!

You're stealing my lines man

Or how much banana oil would you have to drink
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