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Re: Do corporations have any moral responsibility?

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Short answer: no.

How can a non-human entity have morality or ethical responsibility to anything?
Not to be an ass...but the thread is too broad.
A medicinal corporation absolutely must have ethical obligations to quality and standards...etc. and etc.

It depends on what the products/services it provides as to the "level" of obligation to the public.
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Not to be an ass...but the thread is too broad.
A medicinal corporation absolutely must have ethical obligations to quality and standards...etc. and etc.

It depends on what the products/services it provides as to the "level" of obligation to the public.
Do rocks have moral obligations?

Do books have moral obligations?

Do weather reports have moral obligations?

Only humans can have moral obligations and corporations aren't human.
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Re: Do corporations have any moral responsibility?

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Do rocks have moral obligations?

Do books have moral obligations?

Do weather reports have moral obligations?

Only humans can have moral obligations and corporations aren't human.
Would it be safe to say that a corporation's top officials have moral obligations? And that they should instill these obligations upon all of the corporation's employees, so that the corporation might operate in a moraly responsible manner?

I'm having trouble with the idea that corporations don't have to have any moral obligations.
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Re: Do corporations have any moral responsibility?

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Would it be safe to say that a corporation's top officials have moral obligations? And that they should instill these obligations upon all of the corporation's employees, so that the corporation might operate in a moraly responsible manner?

I'm having trouble with the idea that corporations don't have to have any moral obligations.
It's pretty much my point, and I believe it's white rabbit's point. Only humans have moral obligations; if a company does something immoral, then the humans which make the company function are responsible. Similarly, if someone shoots a bullet into someone else's head, we're going to place the murderer in prison, not the bullet.
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Would it be safe to say that a corporation's top officials have moral obligations?
Maybe (but not necessarily). If they did, they have only moral obligations as human beings.

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And that they should instill these obligations upon all of the corporation's employees, so that the corporation might operate in a moraly responsible manner?
Isn't this rather selective?

Do you have a moral obligation to instill your moral system upon all your friends and acquintances? Or team-mates?

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I'm having trouble with the idea that corporations don't have to have any moral obligations.
I should think it is pretty obvious from their behavior that they don't.

Lots of things in this world are ugly. And there is a reason I said the US decision to give to corporations all the rights (yet none of the duties and responsibilities) of individual citizens as being the most horrific thing the USA has ever done. We are paying a high price for this one.
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Re: Do corporations have any moral responsibility?

Then you guys are splitting hairs. Let's rephrase the question to read something like "Should corporations be operated in a morally responsible manner?" and move on.

My answer would be "yes".

edit: perhaps I misunderstood the OP
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Then you guys are splitting hairs. Let's rephrase the question to read something like "Should corporations be operated in a morally responsible manner?" and move on.
File that under "if wishes were fishes".

I think it would be nice if human beings actually operated in a morally responsible manner, but I'm not utopian. Corporations are a 'bridge too far' when humans themselves are the primary source of moral failings.
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Then you guys are splitting hairs. Let's rephrase the question to read something like "Should corporations be operated in a morally responsible manner?" and move on.

My answer would be "yes".
That's the same as asking "should people act morally ?". Morality is defined as being what determines what we should do. So, by definition, people should operate corporations in a morally responsible manner. (So, you're right to answer yes).

Since the question "should corporations be operated morally?" is a tautology, I didn't think there was any interest in argumenting about it, and I assumed the question was "are corporations morally responsible"...which was the title of this thread.
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Re: Do corporations have any moral responsibility?

It seems to me that when a corporation does its business only within a nation the citizens will keep them from egregious foul behavior but when they become international all bets are off. Example is discrimination. Globalization sets corporations free like they never have been.
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It seems to me that when a corporation does its business only within a nation the citizens will keep them from egregious foul behavior but when they become international all bets are off. Example is discrimination. Globalization sets corporations free like they never have been.
Kinda like Enron you mean?

Inconvenient when 'facts' don't fit the theory eh?
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Would it be safe to say that a corporation's top officials have moral obligations? And that they should instill these obligations upon all of the corporation's employees, so that the corporation might operate in a moraly responsible manner?

I'm having trouble with the idea that corporations don't have to have any moral obligations.
As you should...I think a better term is ethical.
If everyone ran their business in an ethical manner, you have far fewer people hurt than with unethical companies.
Take for instance the auto industry pre Ralph Nader...especially in the late 50's and early 60's - cars were designed with known safety problems and were produced anyway, brake systems were KNOWN to be inferior, poor gas tank placements and inferior protection were KNOWN issues...and lots and lots of people were killed because the 3 automakers chose profit over it's ethical responsibility to produce a safe car within reasonable standards.
Same with car seat manufacturers, toy manufacturers and prior to the FDA - food manufacturers.
People can die when companies do not practice ethical standards.
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Pramjockey, nice way to be passive-agressive. On one hand, you admit that if "corporations are responsible", it's only because those who run them are responsible(which was precisely my point) and on the other hand you're saying I should read some guy's work "and work it from there", as if I was totally new to the subjet.

But, if corporations are responsible through some other people, that just means that they are not responsible themselves. Indeed, the one who deserves a punishment is never the corporation (that wouldn't make any sense), but always the person who runs it / or follow it. So, saying that a corporation is responsible is an easy way to say that people can't do anything with a corporation, and it's also a wrong way to say it. But it's easier to understand. Which is what theory is all about, in management: get people to be more effective with simple and usually false principles. These principles might be false, but they work well - much like proverbs, they're not based on science but they do tend to provide acceptable results. It works for running a company, it doesn't work for deciding what is moral and what isn't.


Not sure who shit in your Cheerios, but it wasn't me. Clearly you're not interested in an actual discussion. Oh, well. It could've been an interesting topic.
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Re: Do corporations have any moral responsibility?

Since corporations are people I would imagine that corporations have all the moral responsibilities that a person should have.
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Clearly you're not interested in an actual discussion. Oh, well. It could've been an interesting topic.
You admitted that if corporations are responsible, it's through the people running it. What is left to say ? It seems like we agree ! There's no point in doing any "actual discussion" anymore.
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Re: Do corporations have any moral responsibility?

Oh goody, evil corporations.


The question is regarding business ethics.

And yes the corporate entity has ethical responsibilities just like the individual.
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