its not the end of the world... its a rebirth... all the evil will be destroyed and civilization will be restarted.

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Yeah, hey! If you go with that one, you sound important and won't be proven wrong for five years. Pretty sweet...

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Harumphhhh...prophecies. They don't matter to me. If I avoid cynicism and enjoy happiness, I'll die content if the world comes to an end in my lifetime.

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the general theme is the end of the 20th century be the the begining of the end.. meaning the begining of the biblical tribulations. and the official end of the tribulations and rebirth Biblically this would be the second coming.. seems to be at around 2050... its all a plus or minus game..

L'an mil neuf cent nonante neuf sept mois,
Du ciel viendra un grand Roi d'effrayeur:
Ressusciter le grand Roi d'Angolmois,
Avant après Mars regner par bonheur

In the year 1999 in the september month.
from the sky will come the great king of terror
bring back to life the great king of the (either mongols, or americans)
before and after mars to reign by good fortune. (mars is astrological planet of war)

“great king of the Mongols”, Kabul was the capital of the Mongol Empire during nostradamus's life time.....
Also in other predictions the anti christ is the supposed reincarnation of ghengis khan.


they arent perfect but they are certainly startling.. this is to illustrate the imperfection of assigning dates in prophecy. God granted us freewill and we can alter the future as well. I started thinking I could help change the future if I told enough people. but I realise no one will believe it..Oh well.

I always thought something was wrong with this world, I mean there is no way to change the minds of so many muslims who are brainwashed to jihad and hate... and there is no real way of knowing what is the true motives of our government.. and our society is kind of stupid and superficial so probably its best that the world was restarted.

And russia is a wild card, it is said that the king of russia will suddenly have lust for blood.. and temporarily ally with the persians with all the strange actions of russia visits with tehran selling of military hardware... I dont know.

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linear views of the world tend to dominate western thought - many other cultures view the universe - including life/death and time - as cyclical.

Is it just christianity ... or is it the Abrahamic/book religions?

I never noticed that before. I'll be damned.

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yup - thats more like it, only I think you still need to work on the last but.
that doesn't have enough mystery about it to tempt the people of the future into believing you to be the sage who can guide their future destiny.

But I think there's no doubt you have 'the gift'.

daisysm comment reminded me of another set of interesting prophecies I have read from hopi Indian and the tibetans.

The hopis believe that from thier land (midwestern United states) four peoples were scattered accross the globe.. The white man, the yellow man, the black man, and they the red man. And each was given the wisdom. And china (yellow), palestine (white), and also black man who I have not read much up on yet.. each was given sacred tablets with carvings or some significance to them some how.. (ie ten commandments..)

(there is supposedly i have heard sacred tablets in south african museam I have no idea what religion it pertains too...)

Well any way the hopis have a sacred rock thats missing a piece to it or something.. and they are waiting for the yellow man in red robes to come after the tribulations to bring thier sacred tablet to complete it)

The tibeten monks also have a prophecy that says they are to go east to see the red man to complete it..

And there is numerous prophecies that suggest of a "great genious" that will come at the millenium to unify all religions and science togethor and create a new society.

and I remember christianity.. older christianity. like the coptics and some of the gnostic gospels the philosphy with in is sort of a mix between buddhism and christianity.. Its much more philosophical I believe they also believe in reincarnation and karma... so its kind of interesting..
And I have read of the hopis originally I thought they were pagans (and thus not compatible with christianity) but apparently they call earth mother earth not because it is a god, but just out of reverance for creation itself.. and that they believe in a single creator God as well..
So I do see how it can all blend togethor.

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Al-Waqi'ah (Surah 56) sounds pretty apocalyptic.

When the Event inevitable cometh to pass. Then will no soul entertain falsehood concerning its coming. Many will it bring low; many will it exalt. When the earth shall be shaken to its depths, And the mountains shall be crumbled to atoms, becoming dust scattered abroad, and ye shall be sorted out into three classes.
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These will be those nearest to Allah; in gardens of bliss;
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They will be in the midst of a fierce Blast of Fire and in Boiling Water; and in the shades of Black Smoke.

How important it is in the different factions in Islam I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if it is a favourite among the extremists, just like with the others.

I don't know about this in Judaism. In a quick search I found many contradicting views. We'll need a rabbi I guess

In my experience, Islam seems to talk about end times to some extent or another.

I'm wondering where it all came from. Apparently the Romans inherited the notion of the end of civilisations from the Etruscans (the haruspice said a society would blossom only for 700 years, and that towards the end it would manifest signs of decline). I can't help wondering how much this legacy played a part in the apocalyptic thinking that influenced early christianity. And if it influenced early christianity I have no doubt that Mohammed would have incorporated it into his text as well (he grabbed quite a few other things) - which is why it is part of Islam.

But Judaism... I don't know. I have a feeling its there in Zorastrianism as well - but I'd have to look it up - it may be more cyclical.

One thing is for sure - that 'end of days' has been with us for along time. At the end of the first millenia there was mass panic, and every time there's a major disaster its been a sign from God that the end is nigh - for centuries.

If we look at when Nostradamus was writing Europe was experiencing major economic and social upheaval, and it would have been most likely he wasn't talking baout what was to come at some remote point in the future, but what he believed would be happening within his own lifetime.

I seem to recall he couched it in myserious quatrains not only because fortunetelling/prophesying was akin to witchcraft, but because it could also have political implications.

actually regardless of what individual christians or jews think...there is a biblical reoccurence of cycles like you say.. for instance.. the story of joseph in egypt where he interpreted the pharoahs dream... seven years of good harvest and seven years of famine... there are many others i cant think of right now.. but its how some christian apocalptists (if it were a word) try to determain the future.. according the bible it seems to be cycles, or multiples of 7 to determain a change in fate. THE NUMBER SEVEN IN THE HOLY BIBLE also the number 40 as well in cycles, 40 days and 40 nights tempted in the desert.. it rains 40 days in the flood.. I think 40 years in the desert wandering as well for the israelites..

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Or, like every fortune teller, he did it because if he got too specific the marks might get wise to the con he was running

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. I have posted about apocalptic islamic texts previously..theres alot more. Its also important to know there are three books of islam Koran, hadith, and less importantly the sufi texts. judiasm is similiar to christianity.. there is end times prophecies in the old testement as well, and quite alot of it. This is why christians know that the official start, the first major sign of the endtimes is the rebirth of israel. but there are others as well...

But many christians and jews tend to interpret anything as anything.

http://www.islam.tc/prophecies/qiyaam2.html minor signs of islamic end of days

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Sunni Islam
Sunni Islam, which is followed by the majority of Muslims, and uses the Quran and the Hadith as a reference to the signs of Judgment
day.The signs in Sunni Islam revolve around the purification of earth from non-believers,either by mass conversion of non believers or in some cases by death. The appearance of the Mahdi as the final Muslim Caliph and the ascending of Jesus Christ in his time.
Before the Major or "big" signs as they are called, all minor signs have to occur and some of them are; 1 Time will pass faster.
2 The spread of theft,deceit and scandals between people.
3 The rise of buildings.
4 Buildings that are higher than the mountains of mecca are built in mecca.
5 The spread of adultery.
6 The popularity of alcoholic drinks amongst people, to the limit that its name is changed for example: Beer, wine, gin and so on.
7 Arabia turns Green.
8 Wars and murders are common among humans.
9 The appearance of the Prophet Mohamed and his death (already occurred, Mohamed's birth was a sign of the judgment day itself).
The Major signs which all have a major impact on mankind are as follows;
1 The Sun will rise from the west, marking the close of Gods' gates of repentment and non-believers can never turn back after this point. It is said that the sun will set and not rise for 3 days until its rising from the west, it would rise till mid-day and then set as it used to on the west.
2 The appearance of the Dajal (The Anti Christ), and deceiving the majority of mankind to follow and worship him. He would be later killed by Jesus Christ in Jerusalem.
3 The descending of Jesus Christ from heaven and praying behind the Mahdi. He would in his time, kill the swine, break the cross and kill the infidels.
4 The unleashing of the Yajoj and Majoj, causing famine and disasters in the world and finally shooting an arrow in the sky to show people that God is killable, the arrow later falls tipped with blood causing the weak believers to leave there belief and succumb to the Yajoj and Majoj. They are later killed by a worm that appears from camels nostrils and litter the land with their corpses.
5 A man appears in Madina and is asked by its clerics to immigrate to Mecca, There he would be announced caliph and named the Mahdi and rule as Islams final Caliph leading mankind into a prosperous age never seen or heard of before.He would also straighten all sects of Islam into the true Islam. His name would be Mohamed bin Abdullah, bearing the same name of the prophet and being of his descent,he would also have a dark mark on his right cheek and the same complexion of the Prophet Mohamed.
6 A great war between Muslims and Jews in Palestine resulting in the killing of all Jews.
7 The death of the Jesus Christ and followed or preceded by the Mahdi. Note that judgment day occur 60 years after the ascending of Christ.
8 The appearance of the Da'ba (a beast of weird appearance) from a mountain in Mecca, bearing the ring of Solomon and the cane of Moses.The Da'ba brands humans as infidels or believers.
9 The destruction of al Ka'baa by an army of infidels.
10 A wind that will take the souls of all Muslims and only leave infidels on earth.
These next occurrences are the final steps of Judgment day and occur on earth;
1 The blowing of the first horn killing all humans on earth.
2 The blowing of the second horn marking resurrection.
3 Allah descends on Earth.
4 The awaiting of Judgment by all humans, a process that is said to take thousands of years under a scorching sun.
5 Judgment of mankind begins.
NOTE:It should be mentioned that unlike the Shi'a, Sunni Muslims don't give much credit to the coming of the Mahdi
since he is just another Caliphate to them and a human who is born at a certain time and has a normal life span and dies a natural
death. He is anticipated but not treated more than a normal human.

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of course i believe the muslim jesus (Isa) is going to be the anti christ... and I believe they will think that the christian jesus will be the anti christ... well untill he shows up.. when he does I think the entire world will beg for mercy and forgiveness..

Muslims believe jesus will be just a man.. but the bible states his coming will be so spectacular that no one will be able to deny him.

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I think it's safe to say that kathaksung is multiplying...

Ted, will you continue to give us weekly updates?

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