As a christian since I believe that Jesus was the Son of God, and since Islam calls itself the final revelation, and denies the salvation of Jesus. I have no other choice but to call Islam heresy, And no true christian can argue that point. No other religion does this! This is a unique religion.. in that its sole purpose is to argue against christianity with its simplicity, with its simple logic.. and then Enslave those who disagree.

This is no extraneous passages this is hundreds of verses calling for war and domination..I already explained to you how the bible says "Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience",

. All of those verses you posted have rather easily defined limitations.. And who the tribes the israelites were fighting against and what happened to them in the battle.. its not open ended..



The only garanteed path to paradise is dieing in battle in islam, if he comes back alive he gets war booty


Fight the christians until they either convert to islam, or pay tribute.. if they agree to convert to islam then they must pray the way they pray and kill as they kill.. pretty grotesque if you ask me... I have every right to hate and fear this religion. especially considering the fact that many muslims.. do in fact obey these commands that are quite clearly spelled out..

funny.. islam says nothing like that in its texts..


Jesus on nonbelievers.


Luke 9:52-56: , Jesus sent to save souls, not destroy lives. when asked to place a curse on people who have not accepted him.

Romans 2:14-16: For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ.. basically.. those who have not recieved the law but hold it within thier hearts and follow with good deeds can be saved..

Also I would like to add that of course the Bible says that there is no God but him, my question is that is this intolerance? Of course not how could you argue any different?

I am even open to the possibility that many faiths in different forms are worshiping the same God. They just have to pass a test of acceptability descency and wisdom in my view. and not be contradictory to the Bible.

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[quote]No they of course think they are following the true religion and everyone else is corrupted by satan..

Islam is a basically satanic religion while different sects may be rather tame.. the truth is mohammad himself states that those who do not die a martyrs death in jihad, or do not yearn for it are hypocrites.

There are dozens of reasons why I think Islam is Satanic..
USC-MSA Compendium of Muslim Texts Muhhammad fondling girls whenever he wants..

USC-MSA Compendium of Muslim Texts His wives washing semen stains from his clothing.. ( the man had many many wives and sex slaves..)

USC-MSA Compendium of Muslim Texts Muhammad having sex with all his wives in one night..

What is this mans contribution? he was a sex mad war lord... His religion is an evil militant version of judiasm.

then there is a series of prophecy connections I have mentioned earlier...
The explicit denial of Jesus as the savior is a clue.. desire to kill the jews..

"the day of resurection will not come untill the muslims fight the jews."
Well christians also believe that the resurection will come after a great battle in israel as well.. we just did not know who was going to be fighting it.. until now..


Muslims who do not accept these parts of thier religion are hypocrites(muhammad says so himself). They do not truly follow any religion accept in name only.

I understand.



This is interesting too..from the bible..

Muhammad And The Demons

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So, I've been pondering this, and upon reflection I think the problem is that you're shooting at too wide a target.
Religions are big things. Some of them (like Islam, Christianity and Buddhism) are REALLY big things with a hundreds of millions of followers spread all over the glove and involved in thousands of different, sometimes mutually hostile, sects. These religions are so big, in fact, that I think its almost impossible to paint any one of them with a single brush.

As an example, let me summon forth that incorrigible and dastardly embarrassment to Christians everywhere, Rev. Fred Phelps. I posit that Phelps has practically nothing in common his "fellow Christians" of the Unitarian-Christian variety. They share a handful of doctrines relating to the nature of Christ (though only just barely), they have a shared respect for the Bible (though no in the same way), and they both call themselves "Christians". And I think that's about it.
But I would be willing to bet that Phelps has just about as much in common with hard-core Muslims as he does with the Unitarian-Christians. They share a common belief in one God, they share a belief that those who are against them are condemned to eternal damnation, they share a common view of the evils of (and appropriate punishment for) homosexuality, they both embrace a militant spirit (though to different degrees).
Hinduism, or so I'm told by the Hindus I've worked with, comes in so many flavors (some of which are nearly mutually exclusive) that no one can really keep track of it.

Anyway, the point is that I think an entire religion is too big a target. Even if we accept the premise that Satan is going around inspiring religious doctrine (which I'm willing to do for the sake of argument), I find it unlikely that:
(1) Every single facet of every sect of Islam is Satanically inspired; especially since Islam agrees with Christianity and Judaism in many respects.
(2) Satan would be so helpful as to limit his insidious doctrines to a single religion.
The Phelps clan's near-homicidal wrath at sinners, utter lack of grace, and wanton blasphemy strikes me as (at least) as good a candidate for Satanically inspired religious doctrine and practice.
So it seems likely to me that, if the world is infected with Satanically inspired doctrines, those doctrines are likely to be found, to some degree, in every major religion. Likewise, within a given religion one would expect a continuum of reliance on Satanic doctrines among the various sects, some embracing a host of Satanic beliefs while others are influenced by only a few, if any.

To wrap up a post that has become longer than I intended, my recommendation is that you refocus on specific beliefs, doctrines and practices you have reason to believe are Satanically inspired and aim at these things, regardless of what religion they pop up in. That way, you're less likely to issue overly-broad, under-specific accusations against one entire religion and also less likely to give a pass to Satanic doctrine in other religions.

Just my $.02

Correct?

How would one determine which religion is "correct?"

Doesn't there have to be some qualifier?

As in: 12 being equal to 3 X 4 is correct?

Or as in: killing Chrsitians will get you X number of virgins for your personal use in heaven is correct?

Be more specific, please.

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And I really didn't read any further than that because what you are spewing is a bunch of crap.

So, would it really piss you off if I told you that your God and the Muslim God are one-in-the same? You are NOT going to be able to single Islam out in this. Let me point out one MAJOR "commonality" out to you: Islam and Christianity have the very same roots...the very same. They both go back to Abraham. If you would actually read your bible, you would know that Islam descended from Ishmael (Abraham and Hager).

Also, if you want to focus on the Trinity, you should realize that not all Christians support this belief.

I really think a MUCH better approach would be to look at how Christianity and Islam are similar. Looking for common ground is always a better approach when seeking to understand one another, IMO.

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One can only determine which religion is correct for themselves. Please, don't make the mistake of assuming because something is correct for you then it must also be correct for me. Personally, I seek to understand what is laid upon my heart to know what is correct for me. I'm not going to assume that the Lord has placed the same things upon your heart and therefore I won't assume that you and I must do the exact same things. Your purpose may be different then mine.

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Then shouldn't this thread be in the "Just for Fun" section?

Either way, good comedy!

And to think that all my efforts to defend the place of religion in society is represented by this fellow here. Makes it hard to keep up the fight to defend this crap.

Don't feel too disheartened. metalted isn't the sole representation of the religious, and we of the more moderate bent appreciate your efforts and arguments.

I agree with what you are saying... but I Never did say that Islam is the ONLY satanic religion did i? I think Islam is satans most clever and well disguised evil religion... Think about it... its a religion founded to deny the salvation of jesus christ. It says that Jesus pbuh is only a prophet,there is no salvation with him.. and anyone who disagrees is a fool with allahs curse upon him..

I also have to look at the evidence to which muslims claim Islams divinity.. And frankly I Agree with them.. Islam was dictated by a poor man in the desert who could not read.. and frankly its dark poeticness is rather seductive, and there are some predictions in it that are very accurate, I see why they say there is 'science in the koran'. I think its inspired by the hand of an extremely intelligent being..

Its possible that the azteck/mayan religion was of satan too... massive human sacrifice.. but it seems they had an advanced method.. they understood things, had wisdom that is very old.. had a deep understand of the stars and math, astrology and prediction. Satan would be a clever being in my oppinion.. more intellligent then any human.. so that he woulld cleverly give certain wisdom.. and then tie it up with things that would garuntee populations make massive bloodshed in its name...like jihad...

There are also many christian sects, and many other muslim sects. But this is because that thier ideology was altered by man, and not God, nor Satan.. Christians who do not believe in the trinity in my opinion.. well.. they may be good people but they are wrong...

What does God say about the Ishmaelites crystal?

The decendents of ishmael will be at war and hostility with his brothers.. the jews.. and also everyone else..

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And your point? None of that proves that Islam is a religion of Satan.

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I think that might represent a safer approacher for dealing with Muslims (as well as Christians with different doctrines than yours) than trying to determine if they represent a Satanically inspired religion.

I, for one, don't think we humans particularly need any diabolical assistance to create malicious, hateful or violent beliefs, rituals and world views; we do a pretty good job of it all by ourselves. Nor do I think I could safely discern the difference between someone who just came up with a wacky theory on their own, someone who was inspired by God but then screwed up the message, and someone who was inspired by Satan.
And really, I'm not sure dealing on the possibility of Satanically inspired religions is likely to accomplish anything other than making it harder to remember the "good people" that may be behind the bad doctrine. I went to a church once where the pastor warned against casually attributing things to Satanic influence because it tended to give the devil more than his due and, most crucially, encouraged one to dwell on the evil works of Satan rather than on the good works of God, and that's never healthy.

There are numerous websites proclaiming that 666 is the number of islam, and many in fact are muslim.
http://66619.org/thequran.htm

Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Who strikes off heads?

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I could go on and on.. really.. there is alot of this shit.. alot of correlations..

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