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metalted · #1 (**permalink**) 10-17-2007

Christianity and Hinduism. This is fascinating, I am looking at all the major religions in the world and looking for connections.. My basic theory is that Islam is the religion of Satan that seeks to destroy all of the descent religions in the world...

I believe evil wants to destroy the jewish people, according to Jesus the people with the bloodline of the Israelites have the power of being oracles of God. Which is why hitler did what he did, and why Islam attempts to do what it does..

Also Islam seeks to anhilate hinduism as being pagan abomination.. and buddhism as being Godless..

However Most sects of Hinduism believe in a single God.. but have many gods under him they worship as aspects of the single God...Its kind of like the trinity... So the most accepted form of hinduism does not accept many Gods, but reveres the many aspects of that single God..

So I was trying to find commonality between all the religions of the world under threat by Islam.. look at this its fascinating..

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mplications of points of similarity between the lives of Jesus and Krishna:

Krishna is the second person of the Hindu Trinity. He is considered to be one of the incarnations of the God Vishnu. Some Hindus believe that he lived on Earth during perhaps the 2nd or 3rd century BCE. However, "Traditional belief based on scriptural details and astrological calculations gives Krishna's birth" year as 3228 BCE. 12 Yeshua of Nazareth is generally regarded as having been born in Palestine circa 4 to 7 BCE. Thus, if there are many points of similarities between these two individuals, most skeptics and some religious liberals would accept that elements of Krishna's life were incorporated into the legends associated with Jesus rather than vice-versa.

Other reasons for the similarities between Jesus and Krishna's life stories on Earth have been suggested which are more acceptable to conservative Christians who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, in the inspiration of the Bible's authors by God, and in the belief that Jesus is God's only son and the world's only savior:

Legends of Krishna's life are lies which Satan created to discredit Christianity in advance of Jesus' birth.
The similarities in the two lives are simple coincidences.
Krishna's life was a type of prophecy foretelling the arrival of the Christian Messiah.

Correspondences between events in Jesus' and Krishna's life:

Author Kersey Graves (1813-1883), a Quaker from Indiana, compared Yeshua's and Krishna's life. He found what he believed were 346 elements in common within Christiana and Hindu writings. 1 That appears to be overwhelming evidence that incidents in Jesus' life were copied from Krishna's. However, many of Graves' points of similarity are a real stretch.

He did report some amazing coincidences:

#6 & 45: Yeshua and Krishna were called both a God and the Son of God.
7: Both was sent from heaven to earth in the form of a man.
8 & 46: Both were called Savior, and the second person of the Trinity.
13, 15, 16 & 23: His adoptive human father was a carpenter.
18: A spirit or ghost was their actual father.
21: Krishna and Jesus were of royal descent.
27 & 28: Both were visited at birth by wise men and shepherds, guided by a star.
30 to 34: Angels in both cases issued a warning that the local dictator planned to kill the baby and had issued a decree for his assassination. The parents fled. Mary and Joseph stayed in Muturea; Krishna's parents stayed in Mathura.
41 & 42: Both Yeshua and Krishna withdrew to the wilderness as adults, and fasted.
56: Both were identified as "the seed of the woman bruising the serpent's head."
58: Jesus was called "the lion of the tribe of Judah." Krishna was called "the lion of the tribe of Saki."
60: Both claimed: "I am the Resurrection."
64: Both referred to themselves having existed before their birth on earth.
66: Both were "without sin."
72: Both were god-men: being considered both human and divine.
76, 77, & 78: They were both considered omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent.
83, 84, & 85: Both performed many miracles, including the healing of disease. One of the first miracles that both performed was to make a leper whole. Each cured "all manner of diseases."
86 & 87: Both cast out indwelling demons, and raised the dead.
101: Both selected disciples to spread his teachings.
109 to 112: Both were meek, and merciful. Both were criticized for associating with sinners.
115: Both encountered a Gentile woman at a well.
121 to 127: Both celebrated a last supper. Both forgave his enemies.
128 to 131: Both descended into Hell, and were resurrected. Many people witnessed their ascensions into heaven.

Jesus' and Krishna's mothers were holy virgins

The object of Krishna's birth was to bring about a victory of good over evil." 2
Krishna "came onto earth to cleanse the sins of the human beings." 2
"Krishna was born while his foster-father Nanda was in the city to pay his tax to the king." 3 Yeshua was born while his foster-father, Joseph, was in the city to be enumerated in a census so that "all the world could be taxed."
Jesus is recorded as saying: "if you had faith as a mustard seed you would say to the mountain uproot yourself and be cast into the ocean" Krishna is reported as having uprooted a small mountain. 4
Krishna's "...foster-father Nanda had to journey to Mathura to pay his taxes" just as Jesus foster-father Joseph is recorded in the Gospel of Luke as having to go to Bethlehem to pay taxes. 10
"The story about the birth of Elizabeth's son John (the Baptist), cousin of Jesus, corresponds with the story in the Krishna myth about the birth of the child of Nanda and his wife Yasoda." 10 Nanda was the foster-father of Krishna.
The Greek God Dionysos, Jesus and Krishna were all said to have been placed in a manger basket after birth. 10

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Were Krishna and Yeshua both crucified and later raised to heaven?

In addition to the above points of correspondence between Yeshua and Krishna, there may be one more similarity: they may have both been crucified.

In his book, Graves stated flatly that both Yeshua and Krishna were crucified between two thieves, at the age of about 30 to 36 by "wicked hands." However, this may have been wishful thinking. The "common, orthodox depiction of Krishna's death relates that he was shot in the foot with an arrow while under a tree." 5 But:

The author Jacolliot, referring to the "Bagaveda-Gita and Brahminical traditions," states that the body of Krishna: "was suspended to the branches of a tree by his murderer, that it might become the prey of the vultures...[Later] the mortal frame of the Redeemer had disappeared--no doubt it had regained the celestial abodes..." 6
M. Guigniaut's Religion de l'Antiquité, which states: "The death of Crishna is very differently related. One remarkable and convincing tradition makes him perish on a tree, to which he was nailed by the stroke of an arrow." 7
There are other references to Krishna being crucified, and being shown with holes in his feet, hands and side. 5
In the Christian Scriptures (New Testament) Yeshua's crucifixion on a cross or stake is often referred to as being "hung on a tree:"

Acts 5:30: "The God of our fathers raised up Jesus...hanging him on a tree.
Acts 10:39: "...hanging him on a tree."
Acts 13:29: "...they took him down from the tree..."
Galatians 3:13: "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us; for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree."
1 Peter 2:24: "...who his own self bare our sins in his body upon the tree..." (All ASV)

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jckr1.htm

partofme · #2 (**permalink**) 10-17-2007

Sounds like nutty doomsday cultist stuff to me.

metalted · #3 (**permalink**) 10-17-2007

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Originally Posted by partofme

Sounds like nutty doomsday cultist stuff to me.

maybe..

SMadsen · #4 (**permalink**) 10-17-2007

Unless you have a burning desire to call anyone who believes differently than you an idiot then, yes, you are left with the only option that all religions are correct religions.

DGG · #5 (**permalink**) 10-17-2007

Well, some Hindus believe in Jesus as another incarnation of Krishna. In that way, they consider Him devine, which is more than Moslims or Jews do.

Speakeasy · #6 (**permalink**) 10-17-2007

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Originally Posted by metalted

My basic theory is that Islam is the religion of Satan that seeks to destroy all of the descent religions in the world...

That's about as far as I got.

metalted · #7 (**permalink**) 10-17-2007

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Originally Posted by Speakeasy

That's about as far as I got.

seriously study islam and you will see where I am coming from...

noahath · #8 (**permalink**) 10-17-2007

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seriously study islam and you will see where I am coming from...

Study Christianity and it aint that much different. Remember, some people choose to persecute Islam because they have read and take every aspect of the Koran literally. What if people took every aspect of The Bible literally? Remember The Bible says that there is only one true God and that it is ok to kill in his name. It is ok to kill people who work on Sunday's. It is an abomination to eat shellfish. People pick and choose which parts of all religions they choose to adhere too. Usually, they choose the parts that reinforce their existing or preconceived opinions. The title of the threa should have actually been "no religion is correct", as who among us is as arrogant to suggest that my personal belief is somehow superior or inferior to yours? The very fact that people do believe that is why the world is in such a state, and why religion is arguably the most divisive instrument ever conceived by man.

Dilettante · #9 (**permalink**) 10-17-2007

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Originally Posted by metalted

Christianity and Hinduism. This is fascinating, I am looking at all the major religions in the world and looking for connections..

That could be interesting...

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Originally Posted by metalted

My basic theory is that Islam is the religion of Satan that seeks to destroy all of the descent religions in the world...

Wow. That's quite a theory. Do the Muslims know they're in the religion of Satan?
Is it just one Muslim sect or are all the different groups equally under the diabolical influence?
Which precise doctrines clued you into the Satanic inspired? Can you give me a top three? And, are the Muslims who don't accept those specific doctrines part of the Satanic religion? Or are they part of a different religion? And is that religion the same one as Christian/Hindu one?

I'll admit that I find your premise a little wacky, but, if I was going to take it seriously, I think all those questions would be relevant.

angelseyez · #10 (**permalink**) 10-17-2007

giving opinion is not a problem as long as it contains sense and meaning in a particular context otherwise no one would even pay attention to it. whatever you have said about islam and described the similarties between krishna and Jesus Christ pbuh imply that you intend to combine these two religions or rather convey an inkling that one of them emanated from the other at some point of history. Since hinduism is considered older than christianity, the former seems to be superior and more truthful. But the fact is opposite.

Christianity and hinduism can not be compared as regards their two prominent icons namely Jesus christ Pbuh. the former is believed to be heavenly religion which is testified by two reliegions. it is utterly a failing effort to prove one of them superior to the other when they have no connection whatsoever at all.

So far as Islam is concerned, a sensible and wise person would read their holy book instead of making opinion from the actions of muslims. thier book is no doubt a greatest miracle which poses a categorical challenge to all mankind to make even a single verse like it contains. And no one has ever done that until now. and no one can do it. this is a greatest evidence that this is God's book and Muhammad Pbuh is the last messenger of Allah Almighty.
According to Bhavishya Purana in the Prati Sarag Parv III Khand 3 Adhay 3 Shloka 5 to 8.

"A malecha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking a foreign language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name will be Mohammad. Raja (Bhoj) after giving this Maha Dev Arab (of angelic disposition) a bath in the Panchgavya and the Ganga water (i.e. purifying him of all sins) offered him the present of his sincere devotion and showing him all reverence said, "I make obeisance to thee. O ye! The pride of mankind, the dweller in Arabia, Ye have collected a great force to kill the Devil and you yourself have been protected from the malecha opponents."

The Prophecy clearly states:

The name of the Prophet as Mohammad.

He will belong to Arabia. The Sanskrit word Marusthal means a sandy track of land or a desert.

Special mention is made of the companions of the Prophet, i.e. the Sahabas. No other Prophet had as many companions as Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

He is referred as the pride of mankind (Parbatis nath). The Glorious Qur’an reconfirms this

"And thou (standest) on an exalted standard of character" [Al-Qur'an 68:4]

"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah, a beautiful pattern (of conduct)". [Al-Qur'an 33:21]

He will kill the devil, i.e. abolish idol worship and all sorts of vices.

The Prophet will be given protection against his enemy.

Some people may argue that ‘Raja’ Bhoj mentioned in the prophecy lived in the 11th century C.E. 500 years after the advent of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and was the descendant in the 10th generation of Raja Shalivahan. These people fail to realise that there was not only one Raja of the name Bhoj. The Egyptian Monarchs were called as Pharaoh and the Roman Kings were known as Caesar, similarly the Indian Rajas were given the title of Bhoj. There were several Raja Bhoj who came before the one in 11th Century C.E.

The Prophet did not physically take a bath in the Panchgavya and the water of Ganges. Since the water of Ganges is considered holy, taking bath in the Ganges is an idiom, which means washing away sins or immunity from all sorts of sins. Here the prophecy implies that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was sinless, i.e. Maasoom.

metalted · #11 (**permalink**) 10-17-2007

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Originally Posted by angelseyez

giving opinion is not a problem as long as it contains sense and meaning in a particular context otherwise no one would even pay attention to it. whatever you have said about islam and described the similarties between krishna and Jesus Christ pbuh imply that you intend to combine these two religions or rather convey an inkling that one of them emanated from the other at some point of history. Since hinduism is considered older than christianity, the former seems to be superior and more truthful. But the fact is opposite.

I think that a number of religions are true, and Islam is false this is correct. I dont believe any true religion is particularly better then the other.. I how ever call myself a christian because that is what I have been baptised and raised with.

Now on your hindu prophecy, it is a fraud I just did a quick search on hindu prohecy islam... and Hindus are rejecting it as a fake.. .. Hinduism will not predict something contrary to its own religion... When islam was founded Jihad went north south west and east.. where it intended to conquer the hindu world.. It sacked temples burned down villages, forcibly converted people and raped and took slaves.

The reason I believe what I believe is because I have found a corelation between Islam and the Bible... If you read both very carefully.. you will find that the heroe of Islam to come... IE The Great Mahdi..

Looks alot like the Villain of the Bible .. the anti christ..

Does islam not want to establish itself as the dominant religion in the world by force? Of course it does.. there are endless quotes to support that.. Does it want to establish a new law for the earth to obey? Is it trying to drag us back into the medievel era?

Read my signature... Daniel prophecy..

More on this later.. I have mountains of prophecies I have sorted out if you are interested..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VOpYoql8hf4 for now if you are interested you can view this..

noahath · #12 (**permalink**) 10-17-2007

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I think that a number of religions are true, and Islam is false this is correct. I dont believe any true religion is particularly better then the other.. I how ever call myself a christian because that is what I have been baptised and raised with.

Now on your hindu prophecy, it is a fraud I just did a quick search on hindu prohecy islam... and Hindus are rejecting it as a fake.. .. Hinduism will not predict something contrary to its own religion... When islam was founded Jihad went north south west and east.. where it intended to conquer the hindu world.. It sacked temples burned down villages, forcibly converted people and raped and took slaves.

The reason I believe what I believe is because I have found a corelation between Islam and the Bible... If you read both very carefully.. you will find that the heroe of Islam to come... IE The Great Mahdi..

Looks alot like the Villain of the Bible .. the anti christ..

Does islam not want to establish itself as the dominant religion in the world by force? Of course it does.. there are endless quotes to support that.. Does it want to establish a new law for the earth to obey? Is it trying to drag us back into the medievel era?

Read my signature... Daniel prophecy..

More on this later.. I have mountains of prophecies I have sorted out if you are interested..

YouTube - Walid Shoebat: Prophecy Conference Part 1 of 4 for now if you are interested you can view this..

Hi Ted, I'd be interested in reading your response to my post in #8. You say above that Islam wants to be the dominant religion in the world, but is that not also true of Christianity, and is that not what many wars were fought over from the time of the Middle Ages? Are you judging Islam and other religions by the same standard to which you judge your own?

Donkey_Left · #13 (**permalink**) 10-17-2007

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seriously study islam and you will see where I am coming from...

Oh I think I already do...

metalted · #14 (**permalink**) 10-17-2007

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Hi Ted, I'd be interested in reading your response to my post in #8. You say above that Islam wants to be the dominant religion in the world, but is that not also true of Christianity, and is that not what many wars were fought over from the time of the Middle Ages? Are you judging Islam and other religions by the same standard to which you judge your own?

corinthians 10 23..

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23"Everything is permissible"—but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible"—but not everything is constructive. 24Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others.
25Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, 26for, "The earth is the Lord's, and everything in it."[c]

27If some unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience.

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10:2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

10:3. For they, not knowing the justice of God and seeking to establish their own, have not submitted themselves to the justice of God.

The jews find thier own righteousness, but not according to Gods righteousness.. meaning essentially.. that the Jews will modernize so to speak, but without the word of God, they did this on thier own.. Esentially Jesus came and said.. He who is without sin shall caste the first stone.. and basically did away with alot of the laws of the OT.

The Koran is quite clear that it is the supreme religion in the world, and that jews and christians are inferior, and hide the truth of God..That they must be subdued and admit islams dominance....
Islam is the only religion that specifically denies other religions.. it denies jesus is the Son of God, it denies salvation of men..

But get this.. it says that salvation is only garranteed after death in battle.. Yet no savior came to save them... This is a perfect satanic religion.. breeding men to yearn for battle and death..

If islam is the final revelation meant to clarify both judiasm and christianity.. why does it not add anything to these faiths?

"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

Absolutely.. there is nothing in islam new accept details in how he took sex slaves and concubines.. how he conquered and how he punished... about he treated his numerous wives... rather disgusting shit as well..

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noahath · #15 (**permalink**) 10-17-2007

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corinthians 10 23..

The jews find thier own righteousness, but not according to Gods righteousness.. meaning essentially.. that the Jews will modernize so to speak, but without the word of God, they did this on thier own.. Esentially Jesus came and said.. He who is without sin shall caste the first stone.. and basically did away with alot of the laws of the OT.

The Koran is quite clear that it is the supreme religion in the world, and that jews and christians are inferior, and hide the truth of God..That they must be subdued and admit islams dominance....
Islam is the only religion that specifically denies other religions.. it denies jesus is the Son of God, it denies salvation of men..

But get this.. it says that salvation is only garranteed after death in battle.. Yet no savior came to save them... This is a perfect satanic religion.. breeding men to yearn for battle and death..

If islam is the final revelation meant to clarify both judiasm and christianity.. why does it not add anything to these faiths?

"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

Absolutely.. there is nothing in islam new accept details in how he took sex slaves and concubines.. how he conquered and how he punished... about he treated his numerous wives... rather disgusting shit as well..

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"I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me." Isaiah 44:6

The Bible is quite clear that it's lack of tolerance for other religions is quite supreme also. You focus on the explicit literal writings contained in the Koran; why then do you not focus on the same literal writings in The Bible?

Let's look at some passages in The Bible where it not only justifies the slaughter of non-Christians, but calls for it:

Exodus 32:26-28: "Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD's side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him. And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour. And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men."

Numbers 25:1-9: "And Israel abode in Shittim, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab. And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods...And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun...And, behold, one of the children of Israel came and brought unto his brethren a Midianitish woman in the sight of Moses, and in the sight of all the congregation...And when Phinehas...saw it, he rose up...and took a javelin in his hand...and thrust both of them through...So the plague was stayed from the children of Israel. And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand."

1 Kings 18:17-40: "And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah, that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he that troubleth Israel? And he answered, I have not troubled Israel; but thou, and thy father's house, in that ye have forsaken the commandments of the LORD, and thou hast followed Baalim. Now therefore send, and gather to me all Israel unto mount Carmel, and the prophets of Baal four hundred and fifty, and the prophets of the groves four hundred, which eat at Jezebel's table...And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the LORD: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken...Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench. And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God. And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. And they took them: and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there."

I appreciate Ted that you are a Christian, but do not for one moment suggest that your religious belief is somehow superior to another's. ALL religion is flawed - whether it be Hindu, Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Buddhism, etc. You focus on some extraneous passages of the Koran, yet you also ignore similar such passages in The Bible. You need to apply the same standard to the Koran that you apply to your own Bible. You don't adhere to ALL of The Bible (I'm quite sure that you eat shell fish; have worked on a Sunday; wear on occasion polyester clothes - all of which are forbidden in The Bible); so don't suggest that all Muslims adhere to all of the Koran. Sure, there are some idiots who follow the literal teachings of the Koran, just as there are idiots who follow the literal teachings of The Bible. Remember though, these are the extreme minority and should not be generalised as representative of the majority.

Also, remember: "do unto others as they would they should do unto you."