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View Poll Results: Are you for or against the death penalty?
For 24 53.33%
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Re: Are you for or against the death penalty?

I'm against the death penalty for the simple reason that the justice system is imperfect. I think it's unacceptable to risk putting an innocent person to death in order to gain whatever 'benefit' there is in giving a murderer the death penalty. Life in prison is bad enough for an innocent person, but at least with that there is the possibility of being released upon finding new evidence. Whatever people think we gain by ending the life of a thousand murderers is not worth the cost of taking the life of an innocent person.
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Re: Are you for or against the death penalty?

I would like people to answer two simple questions:

What is the purpose of the Justice System?

What is the purpose of the death penalty?
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I would like people to answer two simple questions:

What is the purpose of the Justice System?

What is the purpose of the death penalty?


Determine innocence or guilt.
Rid society of the treat of additional instances the most horrible of crimes.
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Rid society of the treat of additional instances the most horrible of crimes.
Does life without parole do just as well?
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Does life without parole do just as well?


No. Life used to mean life until the prison budget got a little too high. There is nothing preventing another law to nullify LWOP. Moreover, what prevents the murderer from murdering again in prison ?
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No. Life used to mean life until the prison budget got a little too high. There is nothing preventing another law to nullify LWOP. Moreover, what prevents the murderer from murdering again in prison ?
Can you cite an example of that happening?
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No. Life used to mean life until the prison budget got a little too high.
Expenses adressed above.
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There is nothing preventing another law to nullify LWOP.
There is also nothing preventing a law that would give the death penalty to pick pockets. (Reasonable punishment is a loose term)

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Moreover, what prevents the murderer from murdering again in prison ?
Umm, the fact that they don't have access to weapons... duh?
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Umm, the fact that they don't have access to weapons... duh?
People kill each other in prison all the time. They usually use weapons of their own manufacture.
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I voted for against. Cost-wise it doesn't seem to make much of a difference to lifelong improsonment, and I don't believe that much in harsher punishments scaring others away from crime. There are no statistics to back that up. Longer/tougher punishments are good to keep convicted criminals from the street longer, but they don't seem to prevent others from committing crimes.

And btw California girl, in the Dutch justice system, and most other European systems too, lifelong imprisonment really means lifelong. Nobody in the Netherlands convicted to lifelong has ever been released. Another myth debunked.


I'm sure that - on occasion - that's true. However, I work closely with police forces across the EU on occasion and even they complain that life sentences too often result in 10 years, sometimes as little as 7.

Obviously, there are examples of life meaning life (Hindly, Brady - who's not dead yet but can't see him ever walking the streets of England again) etc but all too often, those who commit horrific crimes are let out.... Wasn't there a serial killer who wrote a book about his hard life, became a huge celeb and got let out (after the 'intelligentsia' took up his case) and promptly killed a few more people before they threw his ass back inside?

As I've said, the DP works for me. I just think we need to apply it better.
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People kill each other in prison all the time. They usually use weapons of their own manufacture.
Yes, but it's a lot harder than buying a gun and shooting at people.
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Our prisons are overcrowded, we are letting dangerous people walk every day because theres just no more room. By executing the worst 5-10% we free up that much more room in prison for lesser offenders. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no evidence that we have ever executed an innocent person in the united states (in the 20th century at least) and I just don't see it happening in the future.
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I would like people to answer two simple questions:

What is the purpose of the Justice System?


To protect the innocent from the guilty.

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What is the purpose of the death penalty?
Do you mean what should be the purpose of the death penalty?

I believe the only reason why the death penalty should ever be used is if a person poses a threat to society for just being alive.
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(1) Our prisons are overcrowded, we are letting dangerous people walk every day because theres just no more room. By executing the worst 5-10% we free up that much more room in prison for lesser offenders. (2) Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no evidence that we have ever executed an innocent person in the united states (in the 20th century at least) and I just don't see it happening in the future.
(1) Could you not just, y'know, build more prisons?

(2) Do you have sources for this?
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I believe the only reason why the death penalty should ever be used is if a person poses a threat to society for just being alive.
Aren't there people out there who pose a threat to prison staff and other prisoners with their very existence? Surely they count.
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Aren't there people out there who pose a threat to prison staff and other prisoners with their very existence? Surely they count.
It all depends on the methods used to keep the prisoner in check. If there is no possible way then perhaps it is necessary to use the death penalty.
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