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(1) Could you not just, y'know, build more prisons?
And, where do you get the money to build and operate these prisons?
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Our prisons are overcrowded, we are letting dangerous people walk every day because theres just no more room. By executing the worst 5-10% we free up that much more room in prison for lesser offenders. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no evidence that we have ever executed an innocent person in the united states (in the 20th century at least) and I just don't see it happening in the future.
It is not uncommon for people on death row to be exonerated. It has happened 129 times since 1973. Are we to believe these were the only men on death row who were innocent? What basis is there to think no one has slipped through the cracks? Since 1976 there have been more than 1100 executions in this country. I think it's almost certain an innocent person has been executed. That's reason enough for me to be opposed to it.

If we want to clear the prisons, we should quit locking up non-violent drug offenders.

Bureau of Justice Statistics, Drugs and Crime Facts: Drug Use and Crime
Did Texas execute an innocent man? | Front page | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle
American Civil Liberties Union : Innocent North Carolina Man Exonerated After 14 Years On Death Row
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And, where do you get the money to build and operate these prisons?
Taxes. Believe it or not, I'm not against taxes per se, only those for the wrong purposes.
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Can you cite an example of that happening?


Has not happened yet but the precident was set when states started changing the meaning of "life". If they changed it before they can change it again.
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Re: Are you for or against the death penalty?

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And, where do you get the money to build and operate these prisons?
E.g. forced labour by the inmates.

Anyway in general I'm against the death penalty, as I don't want the society to kill just one innocent human.
Especially as this human could be me one day under the wrong cricumstances and with bad luck.

Apart from that, in a pure hypothetical case of a state of emergency and a massive crack down of social stability, there should be the DP to handle troublemakers fast and easy to prevent further massive danger to society.
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I think the DP should be applied to a repeat offenders of murder or a person who kills multiple people.
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Re: Are you for or against the death penalty?

I couldn't be for it more. The only problem I see with it is that it's not used often enough.

If someone is found guilty, they get an appeal, as in one appeal.

If that appeal is unsuccessful, buckle up...
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Re: Are you for or against the death penalty?

Most certainly pro-hanging.

As the majority of Brits have been ever since it was abolished in the early 1960's. Not one survey since has agreed with the government's abolishment.

Could be said that China is more democratic than the UK.......
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Re: Are you for or against the death penalty?

Before discussing whether or not any innocent people have been executed in this country, I'd like to get an idea about everyone's fundamental ideas about the death penalty.

Do people who support the death penalty think it is acceptable that innocent people might be executed along with the guilty? If one innocent person is executed for every 99 guilty people, is it still acceptable to use the death penalty? How about one for every 999 guilty?

Do supporters of the death penalty have enough faith in the justice system to believe that no innocent person could ever be put to death in this country, or do they think the benefits of the death penalty outweigh the cost of taking innocent lives?

As I've said before, I do not support the death penalty because I do not believe the justice system gets the verdict correct 100 percent of the time. The possibility that one innocent person could be executed is enough reason for me to be against it. Furthermore, I think it's nearly certain to have already happened.
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Re: Are you for or against the death penalty?

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Before discussing whether or not any innocent people have been executed in this country, I'd like to get an idea about everyone's fundamental ideas about the death penalty.

Do people who support the death penalty think it is acceptable that innocent people might be executed along with the guilty? If one innocent person is executed for every 99 guilty people, is it still acceptable to use the death penalty? How about one for every 999 guilty?...
For me, it is not in the least acceptable. That is one of the main reasons for my being against it.

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.... Do supporters of the death penalty have enough faith in the justice system to believe that no innocent person could ever be put to death in this country, or do they think the benefits of the death penalty outweigh the cost of taking innocent lives?...
Although I am not a supporter of the death penalty, I'll answer: I don't have that faith. We certainly have a great justice system, but it is by no means perfect. There are a lot of flaws, but still it is a better justice system than most around the world, IMO.

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.... As I've said before, I do not support the death penalty because I do not believe the justice system gets the verdict correct 100 percent of the time. The possibility that one innocent person could be executed is enough reason for me to be against it. Furthermore, I think it's nearly certain to have already happened.
Agreed.

And, as a general question, I understand that the DP is allowed in our constitution, but I only understand that because other folks more knowledgeable in the law tell me so. What part of the Constitution allows for it? I ask, because if the DP is allowed based on some implication about rough penalties; then I would like to see these capital crimes being penalized with life and hard (or boring, or tedious, etc.) labor rather than death. Society should be repaid in the interest of justice. Death seems like a waste if there are other options. Perhaps we could put the capital criminals on a rodent cage wheel and have them generate at least a few kW of power. Seriously, though, we can get something out of these offenders, if this kind of punishment is allowed (as death is allowed) in the Constitution.
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Re: Are you for or against the death penalty?

I support the death penalty.
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I support the death penalty.
Could you give some reasons?
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Re: Are you for or against the death penalty?

This is the single most difficult topic for me.

I oppose the death penalty on principle, for the same reason that I oppose abortion. Life is sacred and it is not up to human beings to end the life of another.

I am well aware that there are very powerful arguments based on the sheer evil of some criiminals that support the death penalty. Emotionally, I would like to support it under some circumstances. But I cannot.

War is obviously an exception to this principle, and I am not a pacifist. But that is why I am very, very cautious about supporting a war. Sometimes there is simply no option.
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Re: Are you for or against the death penalty?

I just wanted to bump this because I was hoping to get some of the supporters of the death penalty to expand on their answers and perhaps respond to my previous post. I didn't get a good idea of where most the supporters were coming from, so I was hoping to understand that position a little better.
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Could you give some reasons?
There are people who, as a result of their actions, deserve to die...
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