Saw this today: Revealed: UK’s first official sharia courts - Times Online

I think it's dangerous when a government begins to give powers of the court to religious entities.

Whatcha' think?

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I don't know if it's mind-boggling, but it's waaaaaay to accomodating, IMO, and creates yet further difficulty in integrating Muslim citizens into British culture and preventing ghettoization that occurs all over Europe, but not here.

"Under the act, the sharia courts are classified as arbitration tribunals. The rulings of arbitration tribunals are binding in law, provided that both parties in the dispute agree to give it the power to rule on their case."

So the fail-safe is that it appears one must knowingly agree to abide by rulings and only civil cases.

It will be interesting to see just how litigious UK Muslims turn out to be.

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Totally mind-boggling and against the wishes of the English people.

They can build what they want, where they like.

The ports are wide open for them to leave unchecked and to enter unchecked.

Hundreds of thousands come in illegally, usually via France, but they fly in unheeded and unchecked too.

Some of those that sporadically do the checking have been proven to be illegals, that came to light quite recently, but nothing has been done about it.

The government simply does not seem to care about our safety. They are too wound up in their politically correct ideals, the same of which are thrust down the throats of the gullible via the BBC. Problem is, most Brits have bought it and would not say boo to the proverbial goose.

The worst rub is that they get allocated social housing immediately, leapfrogging English families that have waited years for the privilege, benefits that are larger than some English families that are in full time work earn, all washed down with a government that bends over backwards to employ them in high positions of authority, whether they are capable or not.

A few years ago a group of Afghans hijacked a plane here. Guess what? They are still here. But, there's more. None of them work and are all on benefits, their families were allowed to join them in English social housing, rent free. Good eh?

Furthermore, the government allow them to wear their religous garb where ever they wish, yet jump from a great height upon a Christian wishing to wear a discreet little cross in a governmental post.

Then the government pass laws that make it illegal for Anglo-Saxons to complain about it.

Sad to say, the Conservatives have elected a similarly minded leader just when the party is certain to be elected.

Hard times in old England.......indeed.......and the English?

Most are Dead Sheep or Brainwashed.

This is the same thing the Jews have had for years.

Its a boon to the women in creating less antagonistic divorce proceedings.

Of course I hate how some people will talk about how great things are in Europe, but never take into account crap like this...unless they do. Then it's even worse.

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Most of this isnt true and completely lacks detail. Its taken straight from a Sun tabloid headline.

Agreed, its not Sharia in any way shape or form, its just using Islamic law for divorse proceedings between Muslims...if both side agree. They till have to abide by British criminal and civil law. Whats wrong with that? Jew have exactly the same situation.

Kaleidoscope, you are completly and utterly wrong in everything you have said. I'd take it point by point but it obviously rubbish-have you been through airport security recently? Have you been reading BNP litriture?

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Look, arbitration is arbitration. If both sides agree to arbitrate using Sharia as a guide it's still just arbitration.

Arbitration is based upon freedom, both sides start out in agreement on who the arbitrator is and how he will arbitrate, but beyond that you are just giving people help in working things out on their own.

Steve, why do you object to people being free to follow their own customs among themselves in areas where the state has no compelling interest? Is it because they're muslims? cause I can't see any other reason.

And, if you'll notice, my criticism is not about Muslims being able to do this, but anyone of any religion. I don't think Jews should be able to do it, either...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

I'd like to assume that you're able to read and comprehend what you read.

Assuming that, I'd like to refer you back to this statement from my OP:

I think it's dangerous when a government begins to give powers of the court to religious entities.

I say nothing about Muslims. In fact, my statement is inclusive of all religions...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

And that is taken straight from the BBC. I'll put you with the Brainwashed then.

Never read the Sun once, ever........

I don't think that's what happened. From what I can tell, all that's changed is that arbitration tribunals that use Islamic law are now enforceable in British courts, whereas before, the rulings of the tribunals were not enforced and depended on the parties's compliance. It looks to me to be a means of making someone who agreed to arbitration keep their word.

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One doesn't have to 'read' to look at page 3. Dig?

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So now we have a conservative against the government allowing people to use their religious precepts as a basis for binding arbitration even if both parties agree to do so beforehand.

And while the Jews have done so all along, you only find it "dangerous" when the muslims start wanting to as well.

But it's just the principle, has nothing to do with Islamophobia.

RRRiiiggghhtt

Really?

They can build what they want, where they like.-False, I presume this is partly a reference to the 'super-mosque' in London, which of course didn't get planning permission.

The ports are wide open for them to leave unchecked and to enter unchecked.-erm, no there not. Security is tighter than ever.

Hundreds of thousands come in illegally, usually via France, but they fly in unheeded and unchecked too. -you cannot fly into this country unchecked or unheeded-theres this thing called customs. Once again security at airports is tighter than ever.

Some of those that sporadically do the checking have been proven to be illegals, that came to light quite recently, but nothing has been done about it.-well they've been fired and deported and regualtions have been tightened for recruitment.

The government simply does not seem to care about our safety. They are too wound up in their politically correct ideals, the same of which are thrust down the throats of the gullible via the BBC. Problem is, most Brits have bought it and would not say boo to the proverbial goose. -and yet we have the most draconian security legislation we've ever had, crime fallen massivly and police numbers have increased....

The worst rub is that they get allocated social housing immediately, leapfrogging English families that have waited years for the privilege, benefits that are larger than some English families that are in full time work earn, all washed down with a government that bends over backwards to employ them in high positions of authority, whether they are capable or not.-the first point has repeatedly been proved false. Befits for an asylum seeker are around £70 a week, mainly in food tokens.

Furthermore, the government allow them to wear their religous garb where ever they wish, yet jump from a great height upon a Christian wishing to wear a discreet little cross in a governmental post.-I'd like to know who 'them' are, but anyways the second bit is false (I presume this i a reference to that woman who was fired for performance, but claimed it was because of her crusifix.) A lot of people, including Blair, wear the cross in govermental positions.

Then the government pass laws that make it illegal for Anglo-Saxons to complain about it.-Anglo-saxons? Hell, they havn't existed for a thousand years mate. Your not one of those who actually think that the English are 'pure anglo-saxon' are you? What laws BTW? I'm guessing that your talking about the parlimentry protest laws, not ones I'm a fan of, but your talking BS, they're not aimed at 'anglo-saxons'

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