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View Poll Results: Are paedophiles and other sex offenders mad or bad?
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Are paedophiles mad or bad?

And does it have implications in how we should treat them?

A poster on another thread made me think of an article I read a little while back:

Paedophiles may be mad or bad. But not both | Carol Sarler - Times Online

The journalist's (who was sexually assaulted as a child, BTW) point is basically that if a paedophile is "mad", than they can be locked up indefinitely, but they must be given the same compassion any mentally ill person would be given. If, on the other hand, they are "bad", then they don't deserve the same compassion, but nor can we lock them up indefinitely once they have served their time.

I don't particularly like it or its implications, but I can't really argue with it.
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Re: Are paedophiles mad or bad?

They're wired wrong and there is no fixing it.
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They're wired wrong and there is no fixing it.
So what would you recommend?
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So what would you recommend?


Put them down like you would an animal gone bad.
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Re: Are paedophiles mad or bad?

Unfortunately, I don't think that there's a way to really simplify paedophilia like this.

Of course, I'm not sure that there is such a thing as "bad," per se, so it's hard to answer, anyway.
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Re: Are paedophiles mad or bad?

Pedophiles are bad.

I honestly don't see how there can be any discussion on something so obvious...
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Re: Are paedophiles mad or bad?

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And does it have implications in how we should treat them?

A poster on another thread made me think of an article I read a little while back:

Paedophiles may be mad or bad. But not both | Carol Sarler - Times Online

The journalist's (who was sexually assaulted as a child, BTW) point is basically that if a paedophile is "mad", than they can be locked up indefinitely, but they must be given the same compassion any mentally ill person would be given. If, on the other hand, they are "bad", then they don't deserve the same compassion, but nor can we lock them up indefinitely once they have served their time.

I don't particularly like it or its implications, but I can't really argue with it.
I think antropology would need to be brought in to get a grip on this. For example, take it back some 600 years or so, and men were marrying girls of 10 upwards as the norm.

Its why mohammed is often called a peodo for marrying Aisha who was 9 at the time.

However, re the classic peodo, are they unable or unwilling to control their desires according to the constraints of our times?

Often peodos are actually not people with learning diffiuclties but actually otherwise quite able to function.
They often have decent jobs and can control the other normal male's desires for stealing, and mindless violence etc.
Thus its reasonable to assume they can also control their actions. Thus they are bad and Id happily have them castrated or hung, especially given all the other evil actions they do in pursuit of their ends, like intimidation and extreme violence.

Despite the gruesomeness of the subject, it goes right to the heart of the human psyche and is thus a fascinating subject for our times.
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Despite the gruesomeness of the subject, it goes right to the heart of the human psyche and is thus a fascinating subject for our times.
Pedophiles need to have a fascinating .45 ACP round pushed through their fascinating fucking heads...
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Pedophiles need to have a fascinating .45 ACP round pushed through their fascinating fucking heads...
Quite.

But would you do the same for every one?

Would the guy who, as a teenager himself at 17 has sex with a 15 year old and the 40 year old guy who grooms a 14 year old girl and the guy who brutalises a rapes numerous under 10 year olds get the exact same treatment?
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Quite.

But would you do the same for every one?

Would the guy who, as a teenager himself at 17 has sex with a 15 year old and the 40 year old guy who grooms a 14 year old girl and the guy who brutalises a rapes numerous under 10 year olds get the exact same treatment?
Now there is a strawman if I ever saw one...
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Quite.

But would you do the same for every one?

Would the guy who, as a teenager himself at 17 has sex with a 15 year old and the 40 year old guy who grooms a 14 year old girl and the guy who brutalises a rapes numerous under 10 year olds get the exact same treatment?
I think you're gonna' be hard pressed to find any reasonable person who would define a 17 year old, who has sex with a 15 year old, as a pedophile.

As for the other two, aerate their asses...
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Now there is a strawman if I ever saw one...
Why is that a strawman? Isnt it merely a question?
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Quite.

But would you do the same for every one?

Would the guy who, as a teenager himself at 17 has sex with a 15 year old and the 40 year old guy who grooms a 14 year old girl and the guy who brutalises a rapes numerous under 10 year olds get the exact same treatment?
As I pointed out in another thread many things are variable depending on culture. The legal age for sexual consent in Japan is 13 years old. In Canada the age of consent is 14. In the Vatican City, that bastion of Catholicism, the age of consent is 12.

In most countries, having sex with someone as young as 14 is just fine.

Ages of consent in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ages of consent in Asia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I thought the age in the Vatican City was interesting because thats where many priests go for sabbaticals and training.

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But would you do the same for every one?

Would the guy who, as a teenager himself at 17 has sex with a 15 year old
statutory rape, not pedophilia.


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a hair stylist ? if you mean grooms as his bride, he'll need parental approval nearly everywhere.



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one is enough, need not be numerous.
and aggravated rape is enough for me to put them down as well.
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