If the want to marry they can marry anyone of the opposite sex that they want.

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Hope is the opposite of audacity. It's passive, an excuse for inaction.

Socialism doesn't create a rising tide that lifts all boats. It drains the lake and teaches the boat riders not to help themselves by rowing.

“What's the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?”

“One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let's be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.

“The other kills her own food.”

Given the obvious condition of the deniel of equal rights, based on religous belieifs. I see no better way then to fight fire with fire. Or what better way do you suggest?

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Why opposite?

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How does starting a church fight fire with fire? Homosexuals who attend a church started specifically to address some notion of Jesus being a homosexual don't come any closer to addressing their problems: the United States Federal Government and 46 states don't recognize anything other than a single couple, heterosexual marriage in contractual and financial issues. Or if you think it does in some way, I'd love to know.

What better way do I suggest? I don't know. Vote Democrat. Democratic politicians will appoint more liberal judges who will continue to say denying rights to one group of people is unconstitutional. They'll eventually win their rights in all 50 states, and in some number of years this will be a non issue.

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There is no secret ingredient.

How unfortunate that your politics dictate the denial of human rights to Americans.

What gays need you to do is forget that they are gay. Don't talk about thier sexuality any more than you do your sister and brother in law's, which should be not at all. Let thier sexuality go back in the bedroom. When you ignore them and stop trying to tell them how to live. They won't be so "in society's face" about being gay.

Simple...this stuff about telling them to create thier own church anywhere but here...is that more dictating? You anti gay folks don't seem to get that you've always had the answers at your fingertips to make homosexuality unseen. It's cheap and easy!...stop thinking about it.

Don't tempt me - I may start the Church myself if not just to piss you off. Jesus walked around telling men to love one another - That's pretty gay! Can you prove he's not? And if you believe he is not - Isn't it my right to believe he is if I want too? and in the long run - does it really matter if he was or wasn't? Doesn't Jesus have the right to love whoever he wants? Marry whoever he wants? If that was so, perhaps Judas would not have committed such a passionate suicide? The Romans were closet gays - they didn't like Jesus running around yelling their little secrets. hmmm it all sounds like church to me!

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Of course it sounds like a church to you. Just like every denomination of Christianity, Islam and Judiasm was started by someone who read and interpreted one piece of scripture over another. Again. How does any of that advance the civil rights issues of homosexual marriage?

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There is no secret ingredient.

History shows it to be the best model for maintaining a healthy and productive society.

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Hope is the opposite of audacity. It's passive, an excuse for inaction.

Socialism doesn't create a rising tide that lifts all boats. It drains the lake and teaches the boat riders not to help themselves by rowing.

“What's the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?”

“One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let's be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.

“The other kills her own food.”

History favors people who like sex. People, quite frankly, who fuck well. And a lot. And I mean a lot.

Gay, straight or otherwise, there is, I believe, a genetic perogative for people who just get their shit ON.

All other conversation is bullshit.

This topic is bullshit. Either one fucks a lot or one doesn't.

Done deal.

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Gay couples right to marriage practiced under the constitutional freedom of religion.

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Like the Romans?

I think it is obvious gay couples threaten specific family genealogies, but I doubt marriage will have much effect either way.

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Please explain the genetic perogative of two gay men?

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...Like paganism? ..

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What a silly thread

As far as the state's involvement is concerned in who can marry whom, it's a question of why the state has an interest in issuing marital privileges (not rights). In the good ole days it mainly had to do with property and property inheritance, which became a heck of lot easier to manage when valid, sanctioned contracts existed between the involved parties, including the state. Even then, when it was understood that things like love didn't necessary play any part, there wasn't any argument but cultural tradition against two people of the same sex getting married.

Since marriage has to do with state sanctioned approval of things like property inheritance, there were (and are) arguments concerning the effect of the contract on offspring (such that, e.g., offspring outside wedlock was a very bad idea with regard to financial insurance). But that's the few things in marriage that refer to the result of sexual activities between at least two of the involved parties. However, even if it's managed to form the argument that the purpose of marriage is to produce kids, it's not a valid argument unless, of course, marriage is immediately dissolved by the state or strictly denied beforehand when it turns out that the spouses or potential spouses are demonstrably infertile, intent to adopt kids or won't otherwise have kids of their own. In any other case, an argument against who can marry whom rests solely on traditions spurred by cultural arrangements, not on any logically objective rationalization.

It's like when certain religious nominations ban pork as human food. There aren't any arguments against it except traditions that most probably got started by an ancient outbreak of Salmonella in a livestock near the village of some sect whose stories somehow happened to live on. The rest is merely the comfort of tradition.

No same sex marriage there.

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Hope is the opposite of audacity. It's passive, an excuse for inaction.

Socialism doesn't create a rising tide that lifts all boats. It drains the lake and teaches the boat riders not to help themselves by rowing.

“What's the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?”

“One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let's be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.

“The other kills her own food.”