You buy the meat.

Meat is murder. Really tasty murder.

You are personally responsible for the murder of the meat you buy.

Technically you didn't kill the cow. Legally, you are not responsible. Morally, you are culpable.

When you buy meat, you are actively choosing to support the murder of tasty animals.

Unless you don't eat meat, and don't wear leather - you support the murder of innocent fluffy animals.

I just read each post from beginning to end and it made me sick to my stomach from laughter and hungry for a big plate of sausages and kruat for lunch. Thank you, thank you all.

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Wrong. My argument was, and continues to be, that me personally abstaining from meat will make no difference to the number of cows slaughtered.

Although it appears there are those here who are under the impression that if I alone decided not to eat beef, that the slaughterhouses will take note of it and adjust their production accordingly

I'm a pragmatist. I based my decisions on the actual effect it has likelihood of it achieving a meaningful effect. . .

. . .unlike the dudes who went out on Election Day 2008 and voted for McCain because they felt it would make a difference

:lol

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Because my arguments, though conunterintuitive, ultimately always end up being correct, i. e. confirmed by evidence,

like the time I predicted the DC-Heller SCOTUS decision would make no difference, whereas a notable ad absurdum poster predicted otherwise.

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I can appreciate someone not wishing to eat meat because they feel it is wrong or bad for you etc etc but this self-righteous BS, some people take it to an absurd level. Where does it stop? I mean, vegans work with meat-murderers and buy stuff from them, drive on orads built by meat-eaters, read books written by carnivores, etc etc. To really have a clean soul, they need to kill themselves immediately (but their remains will be handled by dreaded meat-eaters)...

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I hope it doesn't bother anyone here, but some people really enjoy wearing the jewelry and artwork of those who were killed by the Nazis.Well, fuck. They were just Jews walking into camps; why shouldn't I enjoy these lampshades?Pragmatists were slaughtered in Rwanda. Pragmatists survived the Year Zero in Pol Pot's Cambodia.Tell me something about yourself.

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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb discussing what's for dinner.
Liberty is a well armed lamb willing to contest the majority decision!" ~ Benjamin Franklin
"Diplomacy is the art of saying Nice Doggie! while you're looking for a rock. ~ Wynn Catlin
"There are no innocent civilians." - Gerneral Curtis Lemay. A.K.A Bombs away Lemay

Sociopathy is, perhaps, the ultimate form of pragmatism - a willingness to say or do anything to get what you want, unencumbered by a sense of right or wrong. I won't dispute the "pragmatist" label that you apply to yourself, and besides, your willingness to disavow your own ethics is a lot more conversationally interesting than you attempting to defend a rhetorical mistake that you made about the law of supply and demand. Something tells me you're not a proponent of Reaganomics or the merits of drug prohibition policy, but if you want to champion supply side rhetoric to your detractors to get out of making a silly statement, I find that neither surprising nor interesting.

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

-Thomas Jefferson

You're veritable legend in your own mind.

So you're saying that participating in any sort of boycott is a waste of time?

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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb discussing what's for dinner.
Liberty is a well armed lamb willing to contest the majority decision!" ~ Benjamin Franklin
"Diplomacy is the art of saying Nice Doggie! while you're looking for a rock. ~ Wynn Catlin
"There are no innocent civilians." - Gerneral Curtis Lemay. A.K.A Bombs away Lemay

Well, not only that, but that demand is literal and linear. Any person that does not eat meat may or may not have an impact on the decision making power of others around him. If I'm a vegetarian and I host a dinner party, sans meat, then 20 or 30 people do not consume beef that evening. If I'm out to dinner with someone and I have an aversion to meat, that person may opt for a salad instead. Or my friends might think I'm awesome and emulate me for a while to attain my thin physique. Etc, ad nauseum.

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

-Thomas Jefferson

Irrelevant, you still benefit from cow murder.

Agreed, but that's not the relevant issue. Benefiting from an act in no way implies having a hand in it, i. e.

Obama benefited from bush's political lunacy, but nothing he did caused bush to be the way he was.

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That's true. But neither did Obama provide the incentive for Bush to act in a looney way.

You, on the otherhand, did provide an incentive for a cow to be killed.

By providing the incentive (i.e. by paying for the meat) you played a role in the slaughter of a cow.

It doesn't matter that a thousand cows were killed on a particular day, and it doesn't matter that a thousand cows would have been killed that day regardless of whether or not you bought meat.

By buying the meat you bought in to the slaughter.

Simple as that.

The only way you can claim to have had no involvment, and thus no culpability, in the slaughter of an animal is to not have had anything to do with the slaughter of that animal or the consumption of the meat provided by the slaughter.

You've failed in at least one of those instances therefore you are as guilty as anyone else.

It's truly amazing how stupid and illogical you really are.

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-Jon Stewart

That's true. But neither did Obama provide the incentive for Bush to act in a looney way.

You, on the otherhand, did provide an incentive for a cow to be killed.

By providing the incentive (i.e. by paying for the meat) you played a role in the slaughter of a cow.

It doesn't matter that a thousand cows were killed on a particular day, and it doesn't matter that a thousand cows would have been killed that day regardless of whether or not you bought meat.

By buying the meat you bought in to the slaughter.

Simple as that.

The only way you can claim to have had no involvment, and thus no culpability, in the slaughter of an animal is to not have had anything to do with the slaughter of that animal or the consumption of the meat provided by the slaughter.

You've failed in at least one of those instances therefore you are as guilty as anyone else.

It's truly amazing how illogical you really are.

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...Old Europe, a once-dominant region now reduced to sucking at the geopolitical teat of America... they spent the better part of the last millennium conquering the world and taking the good stuff home with them... And what do they get for their troubles? Ungrateful colonies demanding their independence. And after you taught them how to play cricket!...

-Jon Stewart