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Old 09-28-2009
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Re: How come so few recognize the danger of Communism?

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The free market invented oil ... ...

The rest of your post is crap as well, but that one is enough to discredit the entire post without any further analysis.
Actually your post is crap. You dismiss what he says just because of the slip of a tongue. He means that the free market is what figured out how to use oil and that government had nothing to do with it. I know you can figure out what he is saying here. Stop trying to discredit him based upon something that was clearly a typo or a misspoken phrase.
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Old 09-28-2009
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Re: How come so few recognize the danger of Communism?

1. Communism and socialism are not the same (in fact that is the reason why it is a different word ...)

2. Yes, it is easier to fight against an ennemy which is already dead - or almost dead - rather than to tackle the real THREATENING issues of the real world.
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Old 09-28-2009
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Re: How come so few recognize the danger of Communism?

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My own opinion is that the majority of Americans have no experiential understanding of what Communism is, how it operates or how much of ones life must be surrendered to support a Communist regime.
I'll wager you're a right winger who has no understanding of the way laissez faire capitalism allowed the abuse of the weak by the strong.
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Old 09-28-2009
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Re: How come so few recognize the danger of Communism?

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Your opinions but again with nothing behind them.
Then you should feel right at home, given your utter lack of support for your contentions.
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In all the posts I've seen of yours I doubt I have seen very many that are actually worth reading. You have a general tendency to simply state your opinion without backing it up and insult those who disagree with you.
Ah, so you can't support your position, and you attempt a smokescreen by commenting on my posting history. I accept your concession that you don't know what you're talking about, and are incapable of supporting your own claims.
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I'll make this simple for you. Why is what you say true?
That's besides the point: you made the initial claim that I dispute. You have yet to show, in any manner, that communism under a different shape is occurring here. Or anywhere, for that manner.
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You just changed the subject. The point is that these programs are socialist. I didn't even mention "communism under a different shape".
No, I didn't, and yes, that was your original claim.
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Try and keep up. Premise 1. Karl Marx said that first a nation moves into socialism then into communism. Premise 2. Obama's programs and ideas are socialist. Premise 3. Implementing Obama's plans would move this country into further socialism. Conclusion: If we are moving in the direction of socialism then we are on schedule according to Karl Marx in moving towards communism.
Ah, again with the transparent nonsense. Using your terms and conditions, almost anything could be claimed to be leading us to communism.

Conclusion: you're not taking this seriously, either because you won't or can't, and, as such, I don't take you seriously.

Good luck!

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Old 09-28-2009
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Re: How come so few recognize the danger of Communism?

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If you look around the world where do find an example of a successful communist state? It is a failed ideology.
Just like conservatism.
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Re: How come so few recognize the danger of Communism?

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The free market invented oil ... ...

The rest of your post is crap as well, but that one is enough to discredit the entire post without any further analysis.
I believe you just earned an "ignore" from me. Don't bother reading my posts, as I certainly won't bother reading yours.
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Re: How come so few recognize the danger of Communism?

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Just like conservatism.
The majority of Western Europe regard America as an example of "conservatism". In fact, I read many who thought our Dems are actually more conservative than their governments. By that standard, conservatism built the most powerful country ever to exist in the world. And, Switzerland hasn't done too badly either.
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Re: How come so few recognize the danger of Communism?

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I'll wager you're a right winger who has no understanding of the way laissez faire capitalism allowed the abuse of the weak by the strong.
And I'll wager you're a left winger who has no understanding that laissez faire economics created the greatest economic growth for poor people in the history of the world. 19th century and early 20th century America stands above all societies in the history of the world for raising the living standards of the poor and building the largest middle class the world has ever seen.
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Re: How come so few recognize the danger of Communism?

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Then you should feel right at home, given your utter lack of support for your contentions.

Ah, so you can't support your position, and you attempt a smokescreen by commenting on my posting history. I accept your concession that you don't know what you're talking about, and are incapable of supporting your own claims.

That's besides the point: you made the initial claim that I dispute. You have yet to show, in any manner, that communism under a different shape is occurring here. Or anywhere, for that manner.

No, I didn't, and yes, that was your original claim.

Ah, again with the transparent nonsense. Using your terms and conditions, almost anything could be claimed to be leading us to communism.

Conclusion: you're not taking this seriously, either because you won't or can't, and, as such, I don't take you seriously.

Good luck!
You didn't even address my points and falsely claimed that they were "transparent nonsense". I don't know how I can make it clearer to you. No doubt you will interpret this as some form of concession (even though it isn't).

Logic is wasted on you Tanngrisnir3.
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Old 09-28-2009
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Re: How come so few recognize the danger of Communism?

The claim has been made that our country is moving towards communism, the burden is not for T3, myself, or anyone to claim that it's not, the burden is on those who claim that it is.

Let's say I sue Eagle for 200 bucks. When we go to court, Eagle says no, he doesn't owe me any money. I say "you haven't shown any evidence to prove you do not owe me money". Who wins that case?
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Re: How come so few recognize the danger of Communism?

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Only someone who is in denial of reality could utter such a definitive denial of Obama's Marxist tendencies, associations, and psychological disposition as not suggesting his penchant for Communist ideology. But you are certainly not alone in your denial.

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Best to find out what Marxism is before claiming Obama has "Marxist tendencies" unless you want to draw attention to your lack of knowledge of political theory.
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Re: How come so few recognize the danger of Communism?

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You got anything to back up that statement?

Let's see, politicians continue to claim that they need more money, power and programs all to supposedly help the common man. They are definitely trying to move this country in the direction of communism. Karl Marx argued that first comes socialism then the society moves gradually from there into communism. Obama's programs are definitely socialist. Government run health care, all the bailouts, a lot of his welfare ideas, etc.
And then you got the real Marxists like Rosa Luxemburg who identified the reforms introduced by social democrats as most likely preventing communism from ever coming about - and history shows she was right.

Communism never took hold in societies that had solid welfare programs any more than they did the US.

You are afraid of what you don't understand.
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Re: How come so few recognize the danger of Communism?

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.... Obama's programs and ideas are socialist. .....
Can you find an accurate definition of "socialism" and demonstrate how systems that have been used by social democratic nations are socialist?

In thinking about this, take note that these societies have never made the transition to becoming communist, and in recent decades have gone more towards the US model.
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Old 09-29-2009
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Re: How come so few recognize the danger of Communism?

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Those individuals whose natural Psychology causes them to fear the Yang energy within their MIND realms [that is, this fear causes them to desire a sense of big government and lots of rules and regulations to give them a sense of security] are naturally vulnerable to the indoctrination of Communism and Marxist precepts of "fairness" and "justice". Those who are short on Spirituality and thus limited in having access to Conscience, Discretion and Knowledge, are easily indoctrinated by those whose ignorance of the Law of Karma encourages them to "think" that they can "control" life better than Life itself.
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The Liberal is psychologically naive and possessed by a Scotoma that allows despots to exercise brutality while the Liberal checks the language of those who seek to interfere in the brutality of the despot for spelling errors.
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I suppose we differ in recognition of what causes such abuse of power, and that once identified, it can be fought against.
You want to fight against liberals and their MINDS?
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Re: How come so few recognize the danger of Communism?

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The majority of Western Europe regard America as an example of "conservatism". In fact, I read many who thought our Dems are actually more conservative than their governments. By that standard, conservatism built the most powerful country ever to exist in the world. And, Switzerland hasn't done too badly either.
If you were sincere you wouldn't have to put "conservatism" in quotation marks. In reality you surely must recognize that it's an ideology that doesn't work in practice. Just like how China is a "communist" country.
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