1) False. Marx predicted a violent uprising which would go into a dictatorship of the proletariat. This would put everything into the workers hands and then dissolve itself, leaving to communism (which is a kind of Anarchy.) He actually wasn't a fan of socalism as he saw it as a half mesure.

2) Certain ones are, but not fully socalist. They have socalist elements but no more. For eample, the takeover of GM left the bosses and a capitalist structure in place.

3) False. The US is already a socalist country, Obamas plans would neither further take the US into socalism or move it out. Not that Socalism is some kind of progressive slope which goes in a linier direction from the US to Sweden...

Conclusion; False. An invalid and unsound arguement. You've hit the jackpot here. You show a supurb misundertsanding of Marxist historical theory, don't factor in dialectics and then competly misinterprete his ideas. And thats just premise one.

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Which was followed by the great depression and huge profits for those on top? Yes?

How about the economic mirical in Germany and Europe from 1945-1973?

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When I use the term "denial", I am speaking of a psychological denial by ones MIND that one is unaware of having intellectually because ones MIND feeds the Left-Hemisphere of ones brain Delusional Thinking that causes one to "think" thoughts, and it is these thoughts that are part of ones denial.

To comprehend what Marxism is requires a certain level of objective reasoning and not everyone has access to objective reasoning. If for example a persons MIND holds hidden within itself a fear of being "wrong", that person will have an intense fear of exercising personal responsibility or of making decisions that could "prove" him or herself wrong. This would not at all interfere in this persons intellectualism, only in what thoughts this person would be allowed [by his or her MIND] to entertain. The typical Liberal leans toward and often embraces the Marxist philosophy because Carl Marx suffered from a number of deeply repressed fears, and his beliefs were a means by which his MIND projected his beliefs as masking of what he feared. Marx is therefore seen as a kindred spirit by liberals since both are limited in their ability to reason objectively or honestly.

That you accuse me of being a Communist is amusing on one hand, and sad on the other, since this means you are unable to perceive or distinguish what the psychological problem of the Communist is? Denial is not something one is aware of engaging in, it is what a person is unable to perceive due to the denial of that person's MIND. Of course a program of psychotherapy under the supervision of a competent psychotherapist can usually help a person discover the fears that the person's MIND uses to cause the person to engage in denial. Alas, those in denial rarely believe they have a problem and although everyone around them might suggest they seek help, they will be convinced [by their MINDs] that they are perfectly fine.

The boldness of your posting suggests a substantial need to "blast" people your MIND perceives as a threat. You perhaps do not notice this? In any case, I would not use the term "danger" regarding the illness of Communism if I did not perceive Communism to be a danger.
Peace

Is your blender teaching Klingon to your children? Then take down every 3rd number, because bees are immune to dynamite!Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come.but then, lower, with the people. Stuff. Cow

To imagine that a "pure" anything can exist on this physical plane is to be in denial of the concept of the Law of Karma, and the Purpose of Life.

To suggest oneself is a "Socialist" is not something I personally would do, but then not everyone realizes the psychological causal behind such thinking. The Socialist is one who "projects" a delusional reality upon the physical plane that he or she perceives as "missing" and he/she believes "it" should be present.

The heavens on the Astral plane of existence are there for Souls to rest and rehabilitate between incarnations on the physical plane. These heavens are somewhat "socialist-like" in that no Soul needs anything that is not readily available. A perfect situation as it were. But this is not the medium in which the Soul can accomplish much Karma, and completing Karma is the Purpose of Life.

This physical plane is a plane of strife, conflict, struggle and pain and suffering. It is a perfect place for doing Karma, in other words. Those who lack the Knowledge of the Law of Karma are tempted to "think" that this plane needs to be corrected, improved, or changed. If such people have a strong personality they often can influence others to help then try to enact change on this plane. Such change is always dangerous and costs lots of lives and always means a diminished life style that is highly controlled and short on freedom.

Capitalism and a limited government is the ideal for living on this plane. But this ideal does not suit those within whom a great deal of fear is repressed within their MIND realms.... such as liberals. This is the reason the liberal is the enemy of everyone who is "normal" and whose MINDs hold a minimum of fear. Communism is a delusional notion by the liberal MIND, and like all notions of the liberal, Communism must be nipped in the bud or it will bring hurt to many.

Peace

Just to be clear.... would you be so kind as to explain what the MIND is, where it is located, and how it operates? In this way I can better direct your use of the word "tripe".

Peace

Squat and stand are two different words. They refer to the human body in two different positions. So, what you are saying is that Man is not Man when a man is in a squat position, and that a man who suddenly stands becomes something other than Man?

The psychological driver within a persons MIND that causes him or her to want to engage in socialism is the very same driver as that which motivates a person to want to engage in Communism, only subtle psychological factors [which means unknown to oneself at a cognitive level] cause one to engage in one or the other or to move from the less evil to the more evil.

Both terms point to someone who is ignorant of the Law of Karma and the Purpose of Life. The point being that Capitalism with limited government is the most sane system the world has ever known for living life naturally.

Peace

So... completing karma is the purpose of life. And pain, suffering, strife, conflict, are all necessary to complete karma. So this world with all its misery is perfect for completing karma, precisely because of all the things wrong with it. And that's why Liberals are delusional to want to change it. But, on the other hand, liberals and socialists are bad because their ideas are dangerous and kill people? Sounds to me like you like dangerous things that spread misery. You should go live in Haiti or Afghanistan or Uzbekistan or something. Lot of karma going on over in those places.

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No man is an island...
Each man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in Mankind.
And therefore, never send to know
For whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.
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To post seeming nonsense as ones response may appear cute, or perhaps even "enlightened" to the MIND that is intensely fearful, but please try to respond to others with something other than quips of personal meaning... that are neither wise nor helpful.

Peace

Try this...

You just contradicted yourself, Barney.

The liberal has a number of non-conscious fears repressed within his/her MIND realm, and these cause the liberal to fear robust expressions of Yang or male energy. This fear is relative and thus the condition of liberalism is also relative. To wish that life was other than it is, is natural. To even strive to improve "Life" is also natural... although a bit delusional as well.

Do not disparage the concept of the Law of Karma until you fully comprehend what it is, is only a reasonable thing... is it not?

Peace

Greetings and Felicitations,

I did explain what the mind is. A gestalt of the underlying process of the brain.

I posit an opposite experiment. Why don't you cut your brain loose from your body and then tell me about how your mind works without a brain to house it?

Hey. As a side question. What do you think about Ken Wilber?

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely

We can't eat the spaghetti because Barbie drove her car to the mall. However if we liberalism the goat then perhaps the stew will fly into our stomachs. But if we do that it will cause too much youtube poop for the mind and thus prevent enlightenment.

Try This.

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"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

To ignore "docjp" and use the name "Barney" is disrespectful, and says a great deal about yourself.... in case you did not realize this?

My explaining the MIND and bits of its workings is not "personal meaning", but an attempt to educate and share what exists in a reality that is Esoteric. There will be those who intuitively comprehend what I post, and some who will not be able to do so. I am not responsible for either, and share what I do because I am able to do so.

Your are of course free to be disrespectful, or not?

Peace

Greetings and Felicitations,

The law of karma isn't anything more than an excuse to ignore suffering and keep people in their place created by the Hindu's.

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely