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Re: How come so few recognize the danger of Communism?

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Perhaps no one more enlightened than someone with an ego having tapped the first rung of psychic energy. But enjoy yourself and your great wisdom.

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This is most interesting coming from a person who by his own admission, is caught up in the egocentric belief that they are more evolved than other people and surely headed for elevation.

Do you know why the Buddha said that gods were more trapped in the wheel of existence than humans?

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Humans are tri-partite beings (mind, body, soul) and at least 2 of these 3 elements exist in the real world. thus it seems intellegent to me to try and imrpove it..
This reasoning is perfectly normal "thinking". And it is true the human being is composed of three simultaneously existing realms or energy realities, all of which are contributing to ones Whole. It is also true that only one of these is physical and capable of being perceived by ones brain and physical senses. Both the MIND realm and the Spiritual realm within Man are Esoteric and thus, incapable of being perceived by ones brain or physical senses.

There is nothing "wrong" in helping another person [as long as one does not have to harm oneself]. But to force everyone to adhere to a thing just to help one or even a few people is "wrong". To help one or even a group of people by interfering or eliminating the freedom of most people is "Wrong".

To look at another person and notice some "need" that person has and curtail ones own life in order to meet that person's "need" is ego, guilt, or just a lack of awareness of the Purpose of Life. Life exists so that we must overcome our own fears by pushing through our fear of exposing ourselves to the risk of doing something unfamiliar. This is in no way helped by someone giving us that which we "need" to obtain ourselves.

Life exists for us to discover, and to rise above our own limitations and fears. If some in life take away our challenge, or prevents us from being able to challenge ourselves by "laws" created by people who "think" what they are doing is "helping"... how do we grow? The more restrictive an environment becomes the more frustrated the people become.... because the civilizing needs of some eliminate the growth and experiential needs of others.

This is the reason crime rises in an environment in direct proportion to the civilizing [laws limiting the actions of people] influence of society. When a person cannot "learn" one way, he or she must "learn" another way. It is the "learning" or experience that ones MIND must [absolutely must] accomplish in ones life that matters, and whether one lives or dies is in reality irrelevant in that if one dies, then one will be reborn to continue.

To deny the role of Karma and the Reality of reincarnation is the Achilles heel of America. And America is precisely where it needs to be... but these realities do exist and they are rarely considered as part of Life.

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Greetings and Felicitations,


Do you know why the Buddha said that gods were more trapped in the wheel of existence than humans?

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely
Yes, Buddha said this because the entities said to be gods by their followers [many of such entities] were caught up in the delusional notion that they were gods. It is the "attachment" of ones MIND that directs ones reasoning until one is fortunate enough to receive the Grace needed to begin differentiating between the illusion of life and the Reality of Life. Short of this [mystical intervention - Grace] a person will naturally continue generating more attachment to ego, at a cost that is more difficult to reduce than that "normal" people accumulate.

This "mystical interference" is called "wisdom" by Spiritually evolved Souls, and most people just call it "Grace". It is the result of a Soul accumulating the completion of sufficient Karma over many, many lifetimes so that the Soul rises upon the Ladder of Life to the level where that Soul awakens to the Knowledge that Soul has accumulated. This is of course a reality that those individuals who pride themselves as possessing a great intellect will laugh off as sheer nonsense.

What has all this to do with Communism? Those who find the notions of Communism appealing are Souls who are just beginning the struggle up the Ladder of Life. Such Souls have a long, long way to climb and a great deal to "learn". And thoughts of people like myself just seem foolish. And that's OK.

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Yes, Buddha said this because the entities said to be gods by their followers [many of such entities] were caught up in the delusional notion that they were gods. It is the "attachment" of ones MIND that directs ones reasoning until one is fortunate enough to receive the Grace needed to begin differentiating between the illusion of life and the Reality of Life. Short of this [mystical intervention - Grace] a person will naturally continue generating more attachment to ego, at a cost that is more difficult to reduce than that "normal" people accumulate.

This "mystical interference" is called "wisdom" by Spiritually evolved Souls, and most people just call it "Grace". It is the result of a Soul accumulating the completion of sufficient Karma over many, many lifetimes so that the Soul rises upon the Ladder of Life to the level where that Soul awakens to the Knowledge that Soul has accumulated. This is of course a reality that those individuals who pride themselves as possessing a great intellect will laugh off as sheer nonsense.

What has all this to do with Communism? Those who find the notions of Communism appealing are Souls who are just beginning the struggle up the Ladder of Life. Such Souls have a long, long way to climb and a great deal to "learn". And thoughts of people like myself just seem foolish. And that's OK.

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The very idea that "Those who find the notions of Communism appealing are Souls who are just beginning the struggle up the Ladder of Life." is itself attachment to form.

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Greetings and Felicitations,

Please provide proof for the astral plane. Any proof will do? Anything. I thought not.

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C. David Neely
The Astral region is composed of a vibrational energy that is not physical. It cannot therefore be perceived by physical means. And for those individuals who are limited to the brain and thinking.... the Esoteric dimensions of Man [the MIND and Spiritual realms] cannot be "proven". However, for those who have access to the faculty of intuition [a faculty of ones Spirituality] the Astral, Causal and even the Spirituality within Man can be Known.

It is quite difficult for those who are limited to the Left-Hemisphere of the brain to imagine that there are realms of Esoteric realities that the brain cannot perceive... and the MINDs of these people cause them to "think" that anyone who would suggest that the Esoteric exists is nuts.

That this situation exists is nothing new, since it has always existed and will always exist. Each of us can "think" about this as best we are able. What one "thinks" can be questioned, or simply accepted. But to question what one thinks is quite frightening for most people. So, for them it is easier to simply dismiss others as crazy, nuts or simply stupid.

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Naw, Communism was never a problem, didn't even exist except in the minds of Extremist Right Wing Nutcases. Just ask the Eastern Europeans.
Actually they would be good ones to ask. If the West hadn't decided that even Hitler might be better than the horrors of communism then we would never have let, hell, even helped, the tinpot dictator of a beaten nation along to more and more power until he nearly killed us all, and then we had to give Stalin Eastern Europe as a payoff for killing the guy we could have easily snuffed like a candle less than nine years before.


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The fact is my next move will not be to a hell, but hopefully to some place on the upper reaches of the Astral plane.

The definition of the Law of Karma is this: As one sows, so shall one reap. In other words, every action a person takes, the same action will be taken upon oneself. If not in this life, then in some future life. And of course this Law is an Absolute Law. There is nothing wrong with helping another... as long as ones helping does not prevent the other from helping him/herself.

We view people having difficulty in this life and we do not see these people in some previous life making life miserable for others around themselves... so we do not realize that this life is creating the Karmic opportunity for these people to experience what they caused others to experience in some previous life [and in doing so eliminate and complete their Karmic obligations]. To be open to this concept, one must have a substantial access to ones Empathetic Understanding. An elevated level of consciousness, in other words.

An excellent resource for this is: The Path of the Masters, by Julian P. Johnson.

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This reasoning is perfectly normal "thinking". And it is true the human being is composed of three simultaneously existing realms or energy realities, all of which are contributing to ones Whole. It is also true that only one of these is physical and capable of being perceived by ones brain and physical senses. Both the MIND realm and the Spiritual realm within Man are Esoteric and thus, incapable of being perceived by ones brain or physical senses.

There is nothing "wrong" in helping another person [as long as one does not have to harm oneself]. But to force everyone to adhere to a thing just to help one or even a few people is "wrong". To help one or even a group of people by interfering or eliminating the freedom of most people is "Wrong".

To look at another person and notice some "need" that person has and curtail ones own life in order to meet that person's "need" is ego, guilt, or just a lack of awareness of the Purpose of Life. Life exists so that we must overcome our own fears by pushing through our fear of exposing ourselves to the risk of doing something unfamiliar. This is in no way helped by someone giving us that which we "need" to obtain ourselves.

Life exists for us to discover, and to rise above our own limitations and fears. If some in life take away our challenge, or prevents us from being able to challenge ourselves by "laws" created by people who "think" what they are doing is "helping"... how do we grow? The more restrictive an environment becomes the more frustrated the people become.... because the civilizing needs of some eliminate the growth and experiential needs of others.

This is the reason crime rises in an environment in direct proportion to the civilizing [laws limiting the actions of people] influence of society. When a person cannot "learn" one way, he or she must "learn" another way. It is the "learning" or experience that ones MIND must [absolutely must] accomplish in ones life that matters, and whether one lives or dies is in reality irrelevant in that if one dies, then one will be reborn to continue.

To deny the role of Karma and the Reality of reincarnation is the Achilles heel of America. And America is precisely where it needs to be... but these realities do exist and they are rarely considered as part of Life.

Peace
I think now is the time t quote the immortal Harry Mudd;

"Captain, you sing and dance as well as any man I've ever known, but just what in the HELL are you talking about?"
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Re: How come so few recognize the danger of Communism?

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I think a large part of the reason people don't take communism seriously as a threat is because of the shrill protests of those who oppose it. When the loudest voices warning against big government are paranoid bigots, religious fundamentalists, and stingy pricks obsessed with the idea that some "slacker" will get a free ride, it sort of makes it hard to take the warnings seriously.

There are, however, very real dangers inherent in big government. And the correlation between the ubiquitous government of a communist state, and oppressive regimes is no simple coincidence, in my opinion. Broad government control is a heady invitation to fascists. But there are also examples of socialist states that haven't fallen into that trap.

The other side of this debate is at a more fundamental level of individual preference. People today really don't have the same passion for freedom that they once did. People want security, they want to be taken care of.
There is some truth to that, however the real problem is the way communism is presented to the morons who buy into it. Those who support communism make it seem as if communism is the ideal utopia but rarely if ever present the dark side of communism. Starvation, brutality, minimal freedom, dictatorships, strong oppression over opposition etc.
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The Astral region is composed of a vibrational energy that is not physical. It cannot therefore be perceived by physical means. And for those individuals who are limited to the brain and thinking.... the Esoteric dimensions of Man [the MIND and Spiritual realms] cannot be "proven". However, for those who have access to the faculty of intuition [a faculty of ones Spirituality] the Astral, Causal and even the Spirituality within Man can be Known.

It is quite difficult for those who are limited to the Left-Hemisphere of the brain to imagine that there are realms of Esoteric realities that the brain cannot perceive... and the MINDs of these people cause them to "think" that anyone who would suggest that the Esoteric exists is nuts.

That this situation exists is nothing new, since it has always existed and will always exist. Each of us can "think" about this as best we are able. What one "thinks" can be questioned, or simply accepted. But to question what one thinks is quite frightening for most people. So, for them it is easier to simply dismiss others as crazy, nuts or simply stupid.

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But the number of people dying every year is not equal to the number being born. Suppose there are about 60 million deaths a year, and 140 million births. Even if everyone who died had bad karma, and 60,000,000 babies are born in miserable conditions, what about the other 80 million?
In the Astral plane, there are numberless Souls. Some of which have committed to Life, and most of which are simply enjoying the relative peace of the Astral plane. Likewise on the Causal plane. Numberless Souls that have yet to descend into the Astral plane.

Only those Souls that have committed to Life are on this physical plane. And of these Souls, the Law of Karma is quite active and this means reincarnation is the rule for these Souls. Being born and dying occur quite frequently for most Souls caught up in birth and death.

Of course what I am saying here is fairly alien to the West. It is well known in Eastern mysticism of course.... but Christianity with its denial of Karma and reincarnation tends to keep both unknown in the West.

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In the Astral plane, there are numberless Souls. Some of which have committed to Life, and most of which are simply enjoying the relative peace of the Astral plane. Likewise on the Causal plane. Numberless Souls that have yet to descend into the Astral plane.

Only those Souls that have committed to Life are on this physical plane. And of these Souls, the Law of Karma is quite active and this means reincarnation is the rule for these Souls. Being born and dying occur quite frequently for most Souls caught up in birth and death.

Of course what I am saying here is fairly alien to the West. It is well known in Eastern mysticism of course.... but Christianity with its denial of Karma and reincarnation tends to keep both unknown in the West.

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All mysticism is the same, Grasshopper.

Meister Eckhardt and Dogen taught exactly the same thing.

Cling to duality much?
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I think now is the time t quote the immortal Harry Mudd;

"Captain, you sing and dance as well as any man I've ever known, but just what in the HELL are you talking about?"
I am talking about the Life that takes place behind the scenes we "think" is reality. I am talking about the "reason" people live. The Purpose of Life, as it were. I am saying that there is a purpose to life, and that it is not simply an accident that we find ourselves aware of living.

What happens when one dies... is not an unknown to everyone. It is unknown to many, but not to everyone. What the purpose of life is, is a question a few ask themselves, but even fewer have an answer to this question. But if one doesn't care, then what I am talking about is nonsense.

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All mysticism is the same, Grasshopper.
Many believe that "all mysticism is the same". But this is not true.

Many can discuss what they "think" of as mysticism. But only a mystic can explain what this abstract term actually refers to.

To disparage what seems familiar to oneself but slightly different does not make what one perceives incorrect. It just might suggest that one has an incomplete comprehension. Mocking another may lend a sense of superiority to oneself, but all it actually does is add to ones Karmic debt.

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Many believe that "all mysticism is the same". But this is not true.
Ahhh, but it is.
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Many can discuss what they "think" of as mysticism. But only a mystic can explain what this abstract term actually refers to.
No, mystics have no need of explanation.
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To disparage what seems familiar to oneself but slightly different does not make what one perceives incorrect. It just might suggest that one has an incomplete comprehension. Mocking another may lend a sense of superiority to oneself, but all it actually does is add to ones Karmic debt.

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There is no superiority. There is no inferiority. There is no karmic debt.
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Greetings and Felicitations,



Welcome back to the forum Mahasattva.

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No, merely a student of the Esoteric dimensions of Man.

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Ahhh, but it is.

No, mystics have no need of explanation.

There is no superiority. There is no inferiority. There is no karmic debt.
No mystic needs to explain, but the graciousness of the Mystic does so for those who have an ear to hear.

As for there being no Karmic debt.... this assumption of "nothingness" is a space that engulfs many, and many of the existentialists reached this space and mistakenly assumed they had achieved enlightenment... and many of them committed suicide. They were wrong in their assumption, and upon waking up from their suicides discovered their error.

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