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Re: And you thought witch burning was a thing of the past?

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Of course, but for me that does not excuse evangelical Christianity from polluting these already dysfunctional people.

I could take a group of dysfunctional teenagers at my local junior high school and get them all fucked up on meth and and other drugs - their pre-existing dysfunctions does not absolve me of any wrong-doing.

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Oh, I agree. Preaching to them about witchcraft and ferreting out witches is certainly not a good thing. For religion (especially missionary work) to be a positive influence, it should be about alleviating suffering and teaching a universally acceptable ethical code. It should not simply slap a new label on an existing, barbaric practice.
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Re: And you thought witch burning was a thing of the past?

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Oh, I agree. Preaching to them about witchcraft and ferreting out witches is certainly not a good thing. For religion (especially missionary work) to be a positive influence, it should be about alleviating suffering and teaching a universally acceptable ethical code. It should not simply slap a new label on an existing, barbaric practice.
And, for good measure, let's not forget that a Christian minister, an African Christian minister, who also happened to be Sarah Palin's minister, preached out against (and acted on) "witchcraft" and actively boasted how he had chased witches out of villages.
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Re: And you thought witch burning was a thing of the past?

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Oh, I agree. Preaching to them about witchcraft and ferreting out witches is certainly not a good thing. For religion (especially missionary work) to be a positive influence, it should be about alleviating suffering and teaching a universally acceptable ethical code. It should not simply slap a new label on an existing, barbaric practice.
I would argue that any missionary work that seeks anything but helping people with the basic necessities of life is not a good thing. When a missionary has an agenda that goes beyond this into the realm of trying to 'change' a people it invariably does more harm than good.

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Re: And you thought witch burning was a thing of the past?

A federal UN with a Bill of Rights similar to that of the US could provide a secular solution that includes due process before any denial and disparagement of individual liberty becomes common practice. A republican form of government could ensure sufficient infrastructure to accomplish that moral and ethic.
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A federal UN with a Bill of Rights similar to that of the US could provide a secular solution that includes due process before any denial and disparagement of individual liberty becomes common practice. A republican form of government could ensure sufficient infrastructure to accomplish that moral and ethic.
Other than vaccinations and possibly putting out a decent Christmas card, I don't see that as something the UN would ever be up to.
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Re: And you thought witch burning was a thing of the past?

It wasn't anything the US under the Articles of Confederation was up to either; that is why we have a federal US.
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Re: And you thought witch burning was a thing of the past?

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If you can't rely on the literal statement then why do so many insist that the Bible must be accepted as literally true word-for-word? I live in the American South and this area is full or people who insist on the absolute veracity of the Bible exactly as it is written.
As it was written, by Moses, to the Israelis wandering around in Sinai, certainly. Through the millenia, language and cultural meanings change, and thus, so does the exact application of scripture. The image conjured, pun intended, will be slightly different, more so as time goes on. The responsibility lay with each generation to decide how a commandment is applied.

The Hebrew Bible has been translated from Hebrew, to Greek, Latin, English, and probably several in between. It pays to take a look at the original Hebrew.

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The King James Bible uses the words "witch", "witchcraft", and "witchcrafts",[39] wherever the masoretic text, from which it is translated, has כשף (kashaph or kesheph) and קסם (qesem), and the Septuagint has φαρμακεια (pharmakeia); similarly in the New Testament it uses 'witch', 'witchcraft', and 'witchcrafts' to translate the φαρμακεια (pharmakeia) of the underlying Greek text. Traditional translations of verses such as Deuteronomy 18:11–12 and Exodus 22:18 therefore produce "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" which was seen as providing scriptural justification for Christian witch hunters in the early Modern Age (see Christian views on witchcraft).

However, Kashaph more literally means either mutterer (from a single root) or herb user (as a compound word formed from the roots kash, meaning herb, and hapaleh, meaning using); the equivalent pharmakeia of the Septuagint means poison. As such a closer translation would be potion user (additionally, pharmakeia implies further malevolent intent), or more generally one who uses magic to harm others, rather than a very general term like witch.
So, what to the Ancient Israelis was a commandment to execute anyone passing out poisonous herbs with the intent to cause harm for personal gain in camp, today, could be interpreted to not tolerate... um... anyone passing out poisonous herbs with the intent to cause harm for personal gain. Of course theres no one around that does that anymore.

I'm quite certain even the accusing pastors don't know where what they are preaching came from, the Africans don't know that, and the folks of early Salem didn't know that.

And I'm quite certain these kids weren't doing that.
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...and teaching a universally acceptable ethical code.
When you come up with one, let us know.
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Re: And you thought witch burning was a thing of the past?

What is wrong with our Ten Amendments?
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What is wrong with our Ten Amendments?
They've never been fully and honestly applied, i.e., the 9th and 10th.
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What is wrong with our Ten Amendments?

it tends to get trumped by survival of the fittest out there in the 3rd world
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Re: And you thought witch burning was a thing of the past?

Most anarchies are third world. It requires the socialism of Statism to develop a first world or more developed economy. A hypothetical federal UN could simply ensure a republican form of government anywhere there is a poverty of Statism.

That power could be delegated to the current UN.

A republican form of government in modern times requires infrastructure (e.g. post roads).

Having recourse to a public sector could ensure that due process requirements are met.
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I love how when all this gets mixed together people use it as a means to bash the bible over 10 words.

I guess the other pages that talk about love and peace are completely irrelevant.
Agreed, they're the key ones. The old testiment blows, but I like the new testiment a lot. Unfortuntly these guys focus on the old...
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I detest all forms of Abrahamic religion equally. The ideas of muslims and jews are just as messed up as the ideas of christians.

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What particular Christian ideas do you detest? Loving your enemies? Showing mercy on the downtrodden and rejected? Being charitable? Which ones are you talking about?
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Re: And you thought witch burning was a thing of the past?

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They are victims of christian doctrine, obviously.
Which Christian doctrine did they fall prey to? I'd like you to please point this out to me.

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So by the same reckoning you must also believe that the christians of a few centuries ago were likewise blameless when it came to witch burning. After all, it was entirely up to the imagination of the accuser.

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Except hasn't been something that has been going on hundreds of years ago. This has been a constant and uninterrupted thing up to present day.
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