I think a better "miracle" would have been sending down, at least, a battalion of angels after Jesus died for our (original) Sins; to show us how to exist properly and make better use of the Perfect Knowledge we were allegedly given - and the reason for being expelled from the perfect Anarchy of Eden.

In my opinion, the Roman experiment in Democracy within a Theocracy only succeeded in proving Aesop correct. Our US experiments have merely repeated that historical mistake.

How would the populace of any region be worse off with recourse to a hypothetical, federal UN with a First Amendment?

In my opinion, having recourse to a secular form of statism allows for greater forms of religious freedom.

If compared and contrasted to forms of wage slavery, faith slavery should also be abolished by eliminating those forms of poverty which are conducive to those forms of "slavery".

Oh I see, you're probably one of those types that believes how murderous the Koran is, but conveniently ignores the murderous nature of the bible because you're too highly socially evolved.

The bible is the document primarily behind the christian faith. The bible says to kill witches. Sorry, you can try to try to be elitist and argue your way out of it, but as long as people are capable of reading, they can read for themselves that the bible commands people to kill witches. Things were so much simpler when only the clergy could read I guess.

It could be from the same book the Ten Commandments are in.

I don't recall ever creating an isalmic barbarism thread. Seems mostly self-evident to me. Besides, there are plenty of those threads already. If you are really that obsessed with me though feel free to do a search of any and all threads to do with religion that i have participated in. By doing that you will realize that my criticism of abrahamic religion is non-exclusive.


By definition this is exactly what evangelicals do. Catholics do it , and so do Mormons.

Andrew

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-- Derrick Jensen

It is interesting how Christians are perfectly willing to accept responsibility within the Old Testament for things they like and make them look good but claim it is irrelevant when something in it makes them look bad.

Christians for centuries were perfectly happy to claim that section of the bible and went on campaigns to rid the world of witches but suddenly the "evolved Christians" don't want to claim it. For the record, I know plenty of Christians in the area where I live who would be just as happy to follow that statement against witches to the same degree they follow other statements about homosexuality.

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I think we should petition our government for official weights and measures of forms of holiness and morality.

Then explain to me please all those people who come knocking on my door to try to get me to come to church despite the fact that I have a sign specifically asking them not to on my door. Of the fact that they actually tried using a man riding a horse up and down the street to attract the kids in the neighbourhood to con them into coming to church.
The idea that Christians don't proselytize and try to convert people is in direct opposition to observable reality.

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Christians don't follow observable reality so much, as you've probably noticed. Observable reality is one of those pesky things getting in the way of faith.

They are planting the seed that the Holy Spirit will tend to.

If you don't know about it, how will you come to consider it ?

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Socialism doesn't create a rising tide that lifts all boats. It drains the lake and teaches the boat riders not to help themselves by rowing.

Jesus loves you, allah wants you dead

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

Owls are also very unique, as are aphids. There is nothing about our uniqueness as a species that makes us any more special than any other creature. To believe so is just arrogant. Is life itself special? Perhaps. My criticism is specific to the idea that human life alone is special.

I don't have a problem with people dying through the defense of what they believe in. My problem is people dying for really stupid ideas. Be it a suicide bomber or not.

Jesus did not save anybody (if he even existed in the first place). indeed, he helped cause the death of millions in all the wars and crusades and perceived national destinies that were all about him later on.

I absolutely believe in consequences for my actions, i just don't approve of the idea that some religious clown knows fuck all about proper behavior, or about what a god would want humans to behave like. Certainly they have got it all wrong so far.

Its a lie. And when people believe in lies they do stupid shit that amount to systematic child abuse.

Religious ideas have been fundamental to all kinds of wars. Whether you believe Jesus approves or not is irrelevant.

We act as if we do. But we do not. In reality we are just another creature on a planet full of creatures. Only civilization founded in Abrahamic religious beliefs pretends differently and consequently engages in the wholesale destruction of life and the systems that support life. In short, believing we have dominion over earth leads directly to ecocide.

Maybe Jesus did, but those ideas still predate religion. Empathy is something universal to all humans, religious or not. Even non-human animals are capable of empathy.

Seems like you just know the version told in bible school dumbed down for little children.

Andrew

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“...corporations and those who run them cannot stop exploiting resources and amassing wealth until they have... .I cannot finish this sentence, because the truth is that can never stop; like cancer, they can only continue to expand until they kill the host.”

-- Derrick Jensen

That's my point, you are so obsessed with bashing Christians, you saw fit to start a thread about it.

By definition? WTF? Could you please elaborate?

News flash: Just because someone claims to be a Christian, does not necessarily make it so.

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Democrats, finding new ways to destroy wealth for over 100 years.

actually, yes, it does.

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"My country is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine

Wow, what a brilliant, well thought out response.

Care to elaborate?

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Democrats, finding new ways to destroy wealth for over 100 years.

Aaahh. I was waiting for this response. The other excuse that Christians use when confronted with bad things that Christians have done. They're not really Christians because real Christians don't do those things. What are real Christians? Well real Christians are the people who don't do those kinds of things despite the fact that those things were part-and-parcel of Christian activities for centuries. I would love to see you go back to a Crusader and tell him he wasn't a real Christian.

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