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Ernie S. · #16 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by fishjoel

I don't think there is a universal conservative code. It depends a lot on culture. I think, in western societies, that conservatism is relatively close to being the same. But I also think that conservatism in the middle east is different from that or in Asia or, perhaps, in Africa. It's also hard to know what that means to everyone around the world as most don't know much more than a few factoids about other countries. I think the question needs to be a little more specific to be answered.

Interesting idea.... So do Islamic extremists consider themselves Conservative? They seem to support strict adherence to a moral code, as warped as we may consider it, but not personal freedom.

bg85 · #17 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

i usually go by the dictionary definition when i think of what "conservative" means. it's usually true for those who identify themselves as conservative (with exceptions of course):

con⋅serv⋅a⋅tive –adjective

1. disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.
2. cautiously moderate or purposefully low: a conservative estimate.
3. traditional in style or manner; avoiding novelty or showiness: conservative suit.

EagleTed · #18 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Steerpike

Yes you can make that judgement by observing the behavior of said countries. If North Korea is not a capitalist country and its leadership is considered conservative, then capitialism must be ruled out as a necessary attribute of being conservative.

This means we need to answer two questions about North Korea:

1. Is it a capitalist country?
2. Is the leadership considered conservative?

If the answer to either of those questions is "no," then the consequent does not follow from it.

We are trying to get at the core of what it means to be conservative, anywhere.

LOL From the Classic definition of "conservative", North Korea is a "conservative" government as they wish to defend the status quo. That status quo is Big Government, which has nothing to do with American conservatism.

It always made me mad to hear some air head on the tv say "hard core conservative communists are attempting to ...in Russia..." You can't be a "conservative" as Americans define the word and a communist.

JoMe · #19 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

Conservatism is defined, in part, by a smaller government that doesn't look to solve every problem with more government and/or more regluation. And the citizens don't look to the government to solve their every problem.

Part of the reason why government has grown in size in recent years and seems to continue to do so is because more and more of the American people/voters are looking to the government to solve their problems. Like I heard someone say once; people get the type of government they deserve.

bg85 · #20 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Melanie

Yeah... from what I understand people are flocking to NY because of their low taxes and crime.

actually, melanie, all you have to do to see how desirable it is to live in nyc is to look at how much it costs to live there compared to other places.

bg85 · #21 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Ernie S.

Interesting idea.... So do Islamic extremists consider themselves Conservative? They seem to support strict adherence to a moral code, as warped as we may consider it, but not personal freedom.

yes. islamic extremists are about as conservative as they come.

fishjoel · #22 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Ernie S.

Interesting idea.... So do Islamic extremists consider themselves Conservative? They seem to support strict adherence to a moral code, as warped as we may consider it, but not personal freedom.

I would say that the Islamic extremist would be considered conservative extremists, in the middle east. Their ideas are very different than ours and pretty much have nothing to do with giving as much freedom as possible, like American conservatism believes.

daddio · #23 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

Act in principled, ethical and moral ways.
Personal freedom demands personal responsibility.
Government should facilitate freedom, support business and defend.

EagleTed · #24 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Ernie S.

Interesting idea.... So do Islamic extremists consider themselves Conservative? They seem to support strict adherence to a moral code, as warped as we may consider it, but not personal freedom.

There's no doubt they wish to defend their culture from change, which would qualify them as social conservatives, but would not make them conservatives in the American sense of the word. Freedom of speech and religion are just the opposite of what Islamists stand for, yet are the foundations of American conservatism.

Jefe · #25 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by EagleTed

LOL From the Classic definition of "conservative", North Korea is a "conservative" government as they wish to defend the status quo. That status quo is Big Government, which has nothing to do with American conservatism.

It always made me mad to hear some air head on the tv say "hard core conservative communists are attempting to ...in Russia..." You can't be a "conservative" as Americans define the word and a communist.

Lol.. you don't like the way some people use the word "conservative". Is this really any different than the way the word "liberal" gets twisted around and mis-used?

Swoop187 · #26 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Steerpike

Yes you can make that judgement by observing the behavior of said countries. If North Korea is not a capitalist country and its leadership is considered conservative, then capitialism must be ruled out as a necessary attribute of being conservative.

This means we need to answer two questions about North Korea:

1. Is it a capitalist country?
2. Is the leadership considered conservative?

We are trying to get at the core of what it means to be conservative, anywhere.

Kim Jong Il is no "conservative" by any means.

The only possible reason for anyone calling him conservative is because hes "traditional" meaning that he carries on his fathers policies.

Kim Jong Il is a totalitarian dictator who practices a controlled economy NOT a conservative by any means.

The truth is you can be so far right you're actually a leftist... I have always viewed the political compass as a circle rather then a straight line or grid.

EagleTed · #27 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by bg85

yes. islamic extremists are about as conservative as they come.

As you'd and your fellow travelers would like to define American conservatives. Unfortunately for you, that dog won't hunt.

EagleTed · #28 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Jefe

Lol.. you don't like the way some people use the word "conservative". Is this really any different than the way the word "liberal" gets twisted around and mis-used?

Give me an example from the mainstream media.

Tanngrisnir3 · #29 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by EagleTed

As you'd and your fellow travelers would like to define American conservatives. Unfortunately for you, that dog won't hunt.

As would you, but you've shown no indication that you're capable of doing that rationally, Comrade.

bg85 · #30 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by EagleTed

As you'd and your fellow travelers would like to define American conservatives. Unfortunately for you, that dog won't hunt.

wtf are you talking about ted.

i posted the dictionary definition of conservative. if islamic fundamentalists don't fit that definition, then i have no fucking clue what possibly could.

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