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Speakeasy · #31 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by EagleTed

LOL From the Classic definition of "conservative", North Korea is a "conservative" government as they wish to defend the status quo. That status quo is Big Government, which has nothing to do with American conservatism.

Conservatism itself has zero to do with the size of the government. You're interchanging "republican" and "conservative". There are conservative Democrats, too.

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It always made me mad to hear some air head on the tv say "hard core conservative communists are attempting to ...in Russia..." You can't be a "conservative" as Americans define the word and a communist.

Yes, you can. If your ideals are to maintain the status quo, you're a conservative, no matter if you're trying to preserve communism, socialism, capitalism, ism-ism, etc.

EagleTed · #32 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by bg85

wtf are you talking about ted.

i posted the dictionary definition of conservative. if islamic fundamentalists don't fit that definition, then i have no fucking clue what possibly could.

Indeed, they do dress conservatively.

Jefe · #33 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by EagleTed

Give me an example from the mainstream media.

Sorry, I don't have time. If you don't believe me, try tuning in to TV airhead Rush Limbaugh, and listen to how he uses the word "liberal".

Steerpike · #34 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Swoop187

Kim Jong Il is no "conservative" by any means.

The only possible reason for anyone calling him conservative is because hes "traditional" meaning that he carries on his fathers policies.

Kim Jong Il is a totalitarian dictator who practices a controlled economy NOT a conservative by any means.

The truth is you can be so far right you're actually a leftist... I have always viewed the political compass as a circle rather then a straight line or grid.

If being traditional is being conservative and Kim Jong II is traditional, then Kim Jong II is conservative.

If he does fit that definition of conservative and the definition is valid and does have a controlled economy, then being conservative doesn't mean support of capitalism.

Swoop187 · #35 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Ernie S.

Interesting idea.... So do Islamic extremists consider themselves Conservative? They seem to support strict adherence to a moral code, as warped as we may consider it, but not personal freedom.

You could label Islamic extremists "conservative"

Conservative - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Conservative is a word that means "does not like change". In politics, it can mean any political party or philosophy that is against big changes to the way society has always been. It also means wanting to save (or "conserve") resources (such as money, etc.) wherever possible, rather than spend them. These parties are usually set against "liberal" parties, which have the opposite philosophy. In the United States the Republican Party is considered the conservative party.

"Conservative" is not an American political idea.

EagleTed · #36 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Steerpike

If being traditional is being conservative and Kim Jong II is traditional, then Kim Jong II is conservative.

If he does fit that definition of conservative and the definition is valid and does have a controlled economy, then being conservative doesn't mean support of capitalism.

LOL Right. And again, your projections of your image of American conservatives has nothing to do with how Americans define conservatives (which happens to be the plurality of Americans).

EagleTed · #37 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

You know, it's sad when Liberals believe their own propaganda. It's okay to have propaganda it's a common practice, but it's a real sign of ignorance to believe it.

Swoop187 · #38 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Steerpike

If being traditional is being conservative and Kim Jong II is traditional, then Kim Jong II is conservative.

If he does fit that definition of conservative and the definition is valid and does have a controlled economy, then being conservative doesn't mean support of capitalism.

In America, the AMERICAN conservative/republican party IS for capitalism.

There is NO WHERE that says "conservatives" are capitalists.

"conservative" means absolutely NOTHING in politics other then "traditional"

A conservative in China would be for communism.

A conservative in the US is for capitalism.

Conservative = "No change"

Tanngrisnir3 · #39 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by EagleTed

You know, it's sad when Liberals believe their own propaganda. It's okay to have propaganda it's a common practice, but it's a real sign of ignorance to believe it.

Says the genius who claims that "conservative" only means what he says it means, not what it actually means.

Yeah, buddy.

Swoop187 · #40 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Tanngrisnir3

Says the genius who claims that "conservative" only means what he says it means, not what it actually means.

Yeah, buddy.

It you liberals who have it all fucking twisted.

Its liberals who insist that you have to tie a singular political idea or economic philosophy to the word.

Speakeasy · #41 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Swoop187

In America, the AMERICAN conservative/republican party IS for capitalism.

There is NO WHERE that says "conservatives" are capitalists.

"conservative" means absolutely NOTHING in politics other then "traditional"

A conservative in China would be for communism.

A conservative in the US is for capitalism.

Conservative = "No change"

Holy crap, I agree with Swoop.

EagleTed · #42 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Tanngrisnir3

Says the genius who claims that "conservative" only means what he says it means, not what it actually means.

Yeah, buddy.

It's not me, friend, it's the vast majority of Americans you're arguing with. If you think virtually all Americans are stupid, fine, count me with them.

EagleTed · #43 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Speakeasy

Holy crap, I agree with Swoop.

LOL It wasn't that hard, was it?

Speakeasy · #44 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by EagleTed

LOL It wasn't that hard, was it?

Agreeing with Swoop? I feel a bit light headed.

Steerpike · #45 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Swoop187

In America, the AMERICAN conservative/republican party IS for capitalism.

There is NO WHERE that says "conservatives" are capitalists.

"conservative" means absolutely NOTHING in politics other then "traditional"

A conservative in China would be for communism.

A conservative in the US is for capitalism.

Conservative = "No change"

So by this standard we must conclude belief or support for capitalism is not a necessary part of being conservative.

This definition of "no change" bears examination. Why would someone be opposed to change?

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