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Reply With QuoteI'd say, the fact that it pisses off libtards such as yourself is reason enough for me.Originally Posted by Rationalist
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Secretary of Defense
Churches minister to people and will with or without government money. Liberals think that it's a good idea to give people my money. It's going to happen, so why not do it better and cheaper?
Joint Chiefs of Staff Member
I'd say, the fact that it pisses off libtards such as yourself is reason enough for me.
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Joint Chiefs of Staff Member
Oh thank you oh rational one for informing me of their existence. What ever would I have done without you? I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy!!!
And where are the hoards of conservative and libertarian atheists whining about faith based initiatives? Hmmmmm.....................
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Vice President
the most misused words in the Constitution
NO call for neutralitryCongress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."
Ayn Rand
I'm not a liberal, you ignorant, misinformed person.I'd say, the fact that it pisses off libtards such as yourself is reason enough for me.
Re: Why do Christards maintain that state-sponsored fairness is unfair to them?
WTF kind of rock are you living under? Libertarian Atheists are all over the place. Go to any large Atheist message board, like FRDB - Powered by vBulletin and you will find loads of posters who strongly support gun rights and criticize affirmative action.Oh thank you oh rational one for informing me of their existence. What ever would I have done without you? I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy!!!
And where are the hoards of conservative and libertarian atheists whining about faith based initiatives? Hmmmmm.....................
As for conservative Atheists, go here: The Compleat Heretic's Connections: Conservative Atheist and Agnostic
A sample from that URL: Atheist and Agnostic Pro-Life League, ConservativeAtheist.com, The Secular Republican
Do you enjoy your ignorant stereotypes, countryboy?
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Ha, you're accusing somebody else of having/using ignorant stereotypes..
That's beyond ironic.
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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" is a call for neutrality (pay particular attention to the bolded words).
In order for it to be ironic I would have to have used ignorant stereotypes. The burden of proof for such an accusation would be yours, and I notice that your post is devoid of any mention of any posts of mine containing allegedly ignorant stereotypes.Ha, you're accusing somebody else of having/using ignorant stereotypes..
That's beyond ironic.
Vice President
Simple fact is that all that is saying is that the government can't establish a Church (eg. Church of England/Roman Catholic Church). It does not speak to whether there can be statues or Bible verses or, such things, existing in our gov. If you would look at many of our official documents, you'd know this to be true. You can hardly find a single thing out there that doesn't have God in it, and we all know that it is, indeed, referring to the Christian God.
"The long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead." - John Maynard Keynes (admits his philosophy is not viable)
The promotion of Christianity in particular, or even monotheism in general, by the federal government, or even lower level governments, has been interpretted as "establishment" by the USSC.
Yes, I do recall you saying that you weren't referring to all Christians but when it comes to religion you got to be careful. Your talking about a belief system that people (Christians, Muslims, etc.) are taught to follow from birth and you just can't just thumb your nose at that and expect the believers to just sit there and take it.
Personally I rather piss off an atheistic that a Christian or a Muslim. Believers are far, far more dangerous and they will resort to violence to defend their faith and to right perceived wrongs (and no I'm not justifying the behavior). Atheist, at least the ones I know, seem to be too intellectual and reasonable to do that. I can't really think of any wars or bloodshed in the name of atheism but on the behalf of a religion, well. . . . . . . . .
In regards to your last point it seems to me to be a Separation Of Church and State argument your hinting at and I'm not in the mood for that right now but perhaps in a future thread.
If some fundy wants to try to harm me for exercising my First Amendment rights, then I am well prepared to defend myself.
City Council Member
Is there a specific scenario or story you have mind or is this just a discussion in generalities?
Oh, by the way, the reason people get angry when you use the word "Christards" is because people of a certain religious faith tend to feel a certain unity with people of the same faith. Thus, when you say "Christards" in reference to a certain group of Christians the rest of us tend to get defensive because they are our brothers and sisters in Christ. While we disagree on many things, there is still a certain amount of loyalty to each other.
"A dog barks when his master is attacked. I would be a coward if I saw that God's truth is attacked and yet would remain silent."
-John Calvin
Joint Chiefs of Staff Member
Oh please. :rolleyes:
Then why would you consider well known liberal theologian John Shelby Spong, to be a non-christard?
I never said they didn't exist, I asked where are the ones crying about separation of church and state, like you. Pay attention.
Ahhh yes, those Christian suicide bombers are a huge problem. :rolleyes:
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