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Old 11-08-2009
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Re: Relative to the rest of the West, why is the US so anti-science?

Alright, I'll just let daddio and others get away with their inaccurate statements and logical fallacies.[/sarcasm]

P.S. Look at the rest of my post. It is not in bold. The bold feature is there for a reason: to emphasize particular points relative to the rest of the post in which said points exist. I did precisely that.
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Re: Relative to the rest of the West, why is the US so anti-science?

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Ben Stein is a drooling moron who doesn't have the brain power to see that a god who created the universe would logically have to be more complex than the most complex thing in the universe, and therefore, the "Argument from Design" put forth to support god's existence falls flat on its face, and utterly fails to explain the complexity that we see in nature.

You trust an entertainer over a scientist in these matters. That really says it all.
Gee, you donīt believe in TV twerps statements ?
Donīt believe in Hollywood ?

Man, you are backward.
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Re: Relative to the rest of the West, why is the US so anti-science?

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Using that logic a guy who looks just like me must have the same DNA as me but we all know that isn't the case.
Actually, it is the case. The more similar you are the closer your DNA will match. Humans and other animals share a certain percentage of DNA and therefore share certain characteristics which are developed based on DNA triggers. Some such characteristics are a enclosed spine, fur on the body, live birth and others. Humans and primates are closer matching in DNA and therefore show similarities more specific than their similarities to other members of Kingdom Animalia. These characteristics are such things as standing upright and opposable thumbs. If you and another person look alike then you will share a larger percentage of DNA with that person but not close enough to make you the exact same person. Even twins have differences in their DNA. The only way you can share the exact same DNA with someone else is if you are a clone. Even if you were a clone you still wouldn't be the same person because your environment would be different than the other persons. Here is the kicker that most people miss. DNA provides a template for your design but that design is still affected by environment because environment controls what genes get turned off and on.
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Re: Relative to the rest of the West, why is the US so anti-science?

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P.S. Look at the rest of my post. It is not in bold. The bold feature is there for a reason: to emphasize particular points relative to the rest of the post in which said points exist. I did precisely that.
Yes, bold is there to bring focus to certain sections of the post. However, when you post entire sentences or entire paragraphs in bold you are, by common netiquette, yelling. I find that italics does a better job or emphasis for entire statements.
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Re: Relative to the rest of the West, why is the US so anti-science?

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human and cow dna - Google Search

Care to explain that?
Reading and understanding what you read is not one of your strong points, is it ?

Cow-human cross embryo lives three days | World News | News.com.au

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A team has grown hybrid embryos after injecting human DNA into eggs taken from cows' ovaries, which had most of their genetic material removed.
The EMBRYO in an EMPTY cows egg had similar DNA to man, NOT THE COW.
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Re: Relative to the rest of the West, why is the US so anti-science?

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Yes, bold is there to bring focus to certain sections of the post. However, when you post entire sentences or entire paragraphs in bold you are, by common netiquette, yelling. I find that italics does a better job or emphasis for entire statements.
What you and others don't seem to understand is that this is a war between rationalism and irrationalism, and when you and others on the side of rationalism publicly criticize those on the same side who are too passionate in their arguments, and who mock the other side too gleefully, that the irrationalists will use that as "proof" that everything that BOTH you and I say is incorrect. We can see this effect in the other thread in this forum, where I ridicule Christian iditios who say that the state is persecuting them if it remains neutral in religious matters. Tanngrisnir, who is clearly on our side, indicated agreement with my points, but strongly criticized my style, and now the irrationalists are using this as the basis for accusations that I am a troll.

This is what happens when you criticize people on your side for allegedly fighting too passionately for the same thing that you're fighting for.
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Re: Relative to the rest of the West, why is the US so anti-science?

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When I was in seventh grade (1966), the math teacher introduced the metric system and told us "you have to learn this, within a decade everything will be metric". Since then I've bought some metric bearings and liters of soft drinks.
Science uses metrics worldwide.

The simple minded still measure in feet, steps and lenght of their nose.
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Re: Relative to the rest of the West, why is the US so anti-science?

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Genetically humans and cows are closer then man and ape.

Obviously they were successful in their human/cow embryo "experiment", something they failed numerous times with when tried with primates.

human dna primate dna - Google Search

Its a commonly accepted myth that primates are humans "closest relatives."

Well, if you really believe that, it might apply to you.
For the rest of humanity it does not.
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Re: Relative to the rest of the West, why is the US so anti-science?

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Science uses metrics worldwide.

The simple minded still measure in feet, steps and lenght of their nose.
I don't know if you've ever been to the US, but there are a lot of adults here who react so hysterically to proposals to adopt the metric system that one would think that someone had kidnapped one of their children. These idiots are unable to defend their position, other than citing the peanuts that it would cost, relative to the entire federal budget, to replace existing signs.

"I don't want us to switch to metric just because I don't like the metric system. The French invented the metric system so that makes it evil and ungodly and elitist, so to hell with it!"
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Re: Relative to the rest of the West, why is the US so anti-science?

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NO....

You figure it out, I'm done with the games.

I have to go smoke pot now.

Better donīt.

Itīs obvoiuos, you had too much already.
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Re: Relative to the rest of the West, why is the US so anti-science?

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if the US is so anti science then why do we have the most Nobel prizes in it ?

oh, that's right, you're a vapid troll ! I keep forgetting !
Ever heard of imported intelligence ?
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Re: Relative to the rest of the West, why is the US so anti-science?

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Yes, bold is there to bring focus to certain sections of the post. However, when you post entire sentences or entire paragraphs in bold you are, by common netiquette, yelling. I find that italics does a better job or emphasis for entire statements.
Generally I agree with you.
But it seems, to some here points just must be hammered home.
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Re: Relative to the rest of the West, why is the US so anti-science?

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I don't know if you've ever been to the US, but there are a lot of adults here who react so hysterically to proposals to adopt the metric system that one would think that someone had kidnapped one of their children. These idiots are unable to defend their position, other than citing the peanuts that it would cost, relative to the entire federal budget, to replace existing signs.

"I don't want us to switch to metric just because I don't like the metric system. The French invented the metric system so that makes it evil and ungodly and elitist, so to hell with it!"
Iīve been and I know exactly what you mean.

Btw, you could have described a large part of the British using the same words.( Though thank God not all of them.)
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Re: Relative to the rest of the West, why is the US so anti-science?

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Generally I agree with you.
But it seems, to some here points just must be hammered home.
Hence my forceful tone that many here find offensive and use as "proof" that I am a troll. The people on our side think that passionate words are bad PR, and then the people on the other side run with that and use it as "proof" that our side is wrong.
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Re: Relative to the rest of the West, why is the US so anti-science?

I'll try and answer these, but understand that I am in no way an expert and I don't think my answers will work for everybody. These answers are not based in any study or scientific observation, just my own experience.
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Explain why the US has the highest rate of rejection, among adults, of Evolution in the West.
Hard to point to a precise reason. Part of it may be the System of US education which prefers to let the individual states control education. Various states have various cultures that place priorities in different places. Also, many people in America feel that there are more important priorities than science.

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Explain why the US is bottom of the barrel in stem cell research in the West.
This, in my opinion, has to do with the various moral ethical problems people have with the idea. Actually, though, these people are in the minority if you look at the polls that are out there. It just happens that we previously had a president who did not like the idea.

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Explain why US school children are close to testing near the bottom of the barrel in math and science in the West.
The ever present flaws in the educational system including tying school funding to property values.

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Explain why the US steadfastly refuses to adopt a system of weights and measures that was developed precisely to facilitate science.
People are stubborn and really don't want to deal with a new system when the present when works just fine.

Again, I in no way speak for everybody.
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