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Old 11-08-2009
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Question to supporters of intellectual property.

Court precedent says that mixing your labor with the genetics of organic material such as plants makes it your property, through patent law. Then if someone mixes their labor with human genetic material and successfully creates a living human clone, and gets a patent on it, is it their property?

Now supporters of intellectual property are in an interesting pickle. Either, one they uphold intellectual property rights and support the scientist's right to make clone slaves. Or they deny that the human clone is a slave to the patent holder and in turn reject intellectual property rights.

So what is it?
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Old 11-08-2009
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Re: Question to supporters of intellectual property.

Isn't human cloning already illegal?

For agricultural purposes, GM crops are an answer to the wrong question. Instead of try to get plants that are more durable to the elements, we need to ask how to eliminate the elements.
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Re: Question to supporters of intellectual property.

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Court precedent says that mixing your labor with the genetics of organic material such as plants makes it your property, through patent law. Then if someone mixes their labor with human genetic material and successfully creates a living human clone, and gets a patent on it, is it their property?

Now supporters of intellectual property are in an interesting pickle. Either, one they uphold intellectual property rights and support the scientist's right to make clone slaves. Or they deny that the human clone is a slave to the patent holder and in turn reject intellectual property rights.

So what is it?
Humans are explicitly specified to be an exception, on the grounds of the Thirteenth Amendment.
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Old 11-08-2009
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Re: Question to supporters of intellectual property.

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Humans are explicitly specified to be an exception, on the grounds of the Thirteenth Amendment.
That is only if they are considered humans under the law and not considered property of 'x' biotech company. If non-human genetically modified organisms can be legal property, why does human genetic material suddenly become the exception?

Either both can be property or neither. The latter is the only logically consistent conclusion.
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Re: Question to supporters of intellectual property.

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Court precedent says that mixing your labor with the genetics of organic material such as plants makes it your property, through patent law. Then if someone mixes their labor with human genetic material and successfully creates a living human clone, and gets a patent on it, is it their property?

Now supporters of intellectual property are in an interesting pickle. Either, one they uphold intellectual property rights and support the scientist's right to make clone slaves. Or they deny that the human clone is a slave to the patent holder and in turn reject intellectual property rights.

So what is it?

link please.
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Re: Question to supporters of intellectual property.

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Court precedent says that mixing your labor with the genetics of organic material such as plants makes it your property, through patent law. Then if someone mixes their labor with human genetic material and successfully creates a living human clone, and gets a patent on it, is it their property?

Now supporters of intellectual property are in an interesting pickle. Either, one they uphold intellectual property rights and support the scientist's right to make clone slaves. Or they deny that the human clone is a slave to the patent holder and in turn reject intellectual property rights.

So what is it?
Your contention would be dependent on the US Patent and Trademark Office would grant a patent on a clone.

I just can't imagine a time when they would ever do that.

I'd like to see your link which supports your opening sentence...
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Re: Question to supporters of intellectual property.

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Court precedent says that mixing your labor with the genetics of organic material such as plants makes it your property, through patent law. Then if someone mixes their labor with human genetic material and successfully creates a living human clone, and gets a patent on it, is it their property?

Now supporters of intellectual property are in an interesting pickle. Either, one they uphold intellectual property rights and support the scientist's right to make clone slaves. Or they deny that the human clone is a slave to the patent holder and in turn reject intellectual property rights.

So what is it?
It is for the same reason that we can own cattle but not humans.
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Re: Question to supporters of intellectual property.

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Court precedent says that mixing your labor with the genetics of organic material such as plants makes it your property, through patent law. Then if someone mixes their labor with human genetic material and successfully creates a living human clone, and gets a patent on it, is it their property?

Now supporters of intellectual property are in an interesting pickle. Either, one they uphold intellectual property rights and support the scientist's right to make clone slaves. Or they deny that the human clone is a slave to the patent holder and in turn reject intellectual property rights.

So what is it?
I think this movie does a good job addressing this issue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Island_(2005_film)
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link please.
Patent Law Blog (Patently-O): Monsanto's Roundup Ready GMO Patents Convincingly Upheld on Appeal (Again)
Monsanto is the same biotech company that successfully sued a farmer when seeds of a genetically modified organism which Monstano owned the rights of germinated among his crops, without his knowledge or consent.
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Re: Question to supporters of intellectual property.

People vs. plants.

It truly is sad if you can't see the difference...
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Re: Question to supporters of intellectual property.

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People vs. plants.

It truly is sad if you can't see the difference...
Do you believe that Monsanto owned the plants that germinated among that farmer's crops, and thus was in the right to sue him?
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Re: Question to supporters of intellectual property.

I'm you can't patent an illegal product or process.

That's not a very comfortable way to settle the issue philosophically, I think it does settle it.

If cloning humans wasn't illegal, then I think the 14th amendment would pre-empt patent law.
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Re: Question to supporters of intellectual property.

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Patent Law Blog (Patently-O): Monsanto's Roundup Ready GMO Patents Convincingly Upheld on Appeal (Again)
Monsanto is the same biotech company that successfully sued a farmer when seeds of a genetically modified organism which Monstano owned the rights of germinated among his crops, without his knowledge or consent.

nope. misses the mark you claim by a mile.
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Re: Question to supporters of intellectual property.

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Court precedent says that mixing your labor with the genetics of organic material such as plants makes it your property, through patent law. Then if someone mixes their labor with human genetic material and successfully creates a living human clone, and gets a patent on it, is it their property?

Now supporters of intellectual property are in an interesting pickle. Either, one they uphold intellectual property rights and support the scientist's right to make clone slaves. Or they deny that the human clone is a slave to the patent holder and in turn reject intellectual property rights.

So what is it?
Human beings have rights and plants don't.
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Re: Question to supporters of intellectual property.

The thirteenth ammendment nowhere says the word human. It could easily be argued to apply to any sapient being.
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