I'll admit that I have an ulterior motive to this thread. I will reveal it when I have data to support my claim.

Affirmative action, hate crimes legislation and religious freedoms issues all seem to me to be ways to punish the majority. If white, English speaking people are a majority in this country, why are we constantly asked to give up our traditional values to placate minorities?

I am a libertarian and I oppose affirmative action and hate crimes legislation because they are forms of discrimination. I support religious freedom, which means that I support keeping the state neutral in the area of religion.

Because we've been bad?

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While I am against them, please demonstrate where hate crimes legislation discriminates against any particular group, including the one you mention.

Further, please indicate which religious freedom issues you're talking about, and how they relate to any white, English-speaking demographic.

Finally, please indicate, given the two above requests, which traditional values you're concerned about and how they are effected by the same.

I set the parameters. Please answer the question the best you can given what you have.

Your question is flawed.

I don't care what your "parameters" are. I'm a white, English speaking person and affirmative action, hate crimes legislation, and religious freedoms issues have not punished me, nor have they "placated" anyone in lieu of my values.

So, again, a flawed question...

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For those who have fought to defend it, freedom has a taste the protected will never know...



If it wasn't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all...

Sorry, your premise remains unsupported and rife with assumptions that you haven't justified, which is why I asked in the first place.

You assume that the people that you're asking agree with what you're asserting.

Precisely.

Your question is flawed.

I don't care what your "parameters" are. I'm a white, English speaking person and affirmative action, hate crimes legislation, and religious freedoms issues have not punished me, nor have they "placated" anyone in lieu of my values, of which I've been asked to give up none.

So, again, a flawed question.

It makes me winder, however, why you think your values should be imposed on others, whether you're in the "majority" or not...

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For those who have fought to defend it, freedom has a taste the protected will never know...



If it wasn't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all...

out of control judges

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Jesus loves you, allah wants you dead

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

You're right! Incompetent judges like Scalia need to be removed from the bench ASAP.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Affirmative action as it is used in practice is of course racism, and therefore unconstitutional. Yet, because either a politician agrees with it - or is in no way going to take it on - we have it nevertheless.
There are examples EVERYWHERE of "majority racism". And IMO - it is no different than black racism.
If a white person who is better qualified does not get a position and a lesser qualified, or as in many cases, zero qualified minority gets the job - that is unequal opportunity.

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The government cannot give without first taking.

Did you ignore the part about "affirmative action"? The rest of it can be debated but that can't be. It's a policy that discriminates against the majority. This is a plan and simple fact.

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A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
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So you can get one of your lib buddies in there? I don't think so.

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A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
- George Bernard Shaw

Did you miss the part where I didn't mention it, but I did specifically mention other things, because they were what I was addressing?Excellent. Now that you've neatly sewn that all up, how about the OP addresses what I asked him?