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Old 11-11-2009
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Re: The God Claim

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Mm-hmm; thinking is not a spectator sport ... Yet you are engaging in spectator sport here. You seem intent on posing questions in professorial fashion and observing the inmates as they attempt to answer them. Please explain the contradiction.
A professor is not a spectator in their own class. So by your analogy, there is no contradiction.
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Bein' able to pull off the whole "turning water into wine" thing would be good...
So do mean that the ability to change the molecular structure of matter is a necessary attribute?
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A professor is not a spectator in their own class. So by your analogy, there is no contradiction.
Well, I said you were posing questions in professorial fashion, but this is not a class and you are not the professor so the contradiction remains.

Be that as it may, I agree with Dilettante. You seem to have a postulate in mind, but because you won't share that with the group it becomes a guessing game.
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Where are these attributes coming from? Why would a deity have to be sentient?

It seems like you have some specific definition of a deity in mind, and are trying to list the attributes something must possess in order to match that definition. But without knowing what your definition is, I don't think anyone else can help you list the attributes.
Reason.
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Well, I said you were posing questions in professorial fashion, but this is not a class and you are not the professor so the contradiction remains.

Be that as it may, I agree with Dilettante. You seem to have a postulate in mind, but because you won't share that with the group it becomes a guessing game.
And more than a little bit of a waste of time...
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How does one come to the conclusion that there is a God and that the Bible is an accurate account?

Since you appear to be a believer, answer this, if you had an encounter with someone/something claiming to be your God, then how would you respond?
I said nothing that indicated what my beliefs were. I simply framed my answers given the material being used as a source.
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Reason.
That answer is insufficient. Why would one attribute be any more 'reasonable' than another unless you already have a definition in mind?
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Bein' able to pull off the whole "turning water into wine" thing would be good...
You're just trying to figure out how to save a few bucks and have a good time doing it.
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You're just trying to figure out how to save a few bucks and have a good time doing it.
Hey, don't hate the playa', hate the game...
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Gen 17:1

"When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to him, 'I am Almighty God; walk before me and be blameless.'"


This is in two parts:

1. What qualifies as deity status?
IMHO, I qualify "deity" as higher knowledge and conciousness than the current Human condition. Because the Bible says we were "made in His image", His claim of superiority over us must be derived by something beyond a physical manifestation.

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2. How, if at all, would you validate any claim to deity status?
Peel some of His skin back, and see if He's a lizard.
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IMHO, I qualify "deity" as higher knowledge and conciousness than the current Human condition. Because the Bible says we were "made in His image", His claim of superiority over us must be derived by something beyond a physical manifestation.



Peel some of His skin back, and see if He's a lizard.
You are on to something with this knowlege point. When you say, "higher knowledge," do you refer to a quantitative difference or a qualitative difference or both?

If you mean a quantitative difference, then how much should a deity know?

What do you mean by "higher consciousness?"
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