Opinion polls show that citizens of this country prefer Muslims (!) and homosexuals to occupy major public offices over Atheists, defined as individuals who merely lack belief in a supernatural being whose existence lacks any empirical evidence. Several posters at this board have indicated that they think that this bigotry is a good thing. I would like to expose their indefensible position to the light of day and watch them try to defend it.

So, are you waiting for a cue or something?

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"via this post in particular, and this thread in general" is implied.

So, expose their "indefensible position" already.

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So, um... Whaddya' say you get on with it, then?

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If it wasn't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all...

I made reference to US citizens who think that Muslims who live in this country are more deserving of major positions of power than are Atheists.

You reference a poll, but didn't source that poll. So far all we have is your word that what you say is true.

Are you new to this thing called debate and/or discussion?

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Courage, Truth, Honor, Fidelity, Discipline, Hospitality, Industriousness, Self-Reliance, Perseverance

Yeah, can you show us these opinion polls? Links?

If someone believe that an atheist should not be in a government position - that is perfectly fine...and I imagine they exercise that belief when voting.
That is their choice...so be it.

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The bigotry is so pervasive, that I didn't think sourcing was necessary, which is the case whenever a certain fact is not disputed by anyone with any credibility (such as the statement that the earth is a spheroid, since Flat Earthers have no credibility). You could have simply politely asked for a source instead of insulting someone who was not being uncivil to anyone in this thread.

http://www.soc.umn.edu/~hartmann/files/atheist as the other.pdf (see the graph on page 5)

I don't consider religion as a qualifier for public office.

However, you have the freedom to choose to be an Atheist. The voters have the freedom to choose not to elect you based on your Atheism.

You can't claim the freedom to choose for yourself, and then deny it to everyone else....

Matt

No one insulted you in this thread. Seems to me that you like playing the victim. Anyways, it is by no means pervasive or on the same level as the Earth being round 'debate'.

your link doesn't work, btw.

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I am a liberal, a classical liberal. Classical liberalism is liberalism, but the current collectivists have captured that designation in the United States. In Europe they are glad enough to call themselves socialists. But no one in America wants to be called socialist and admit what they are.

Courage, Truth, Honor, Fidelity, Discipline, Hospitality, Industriousness, Self-Reliance, Perseverance

In reference to someone who said that he would not vote for a black candidate simply for being black, would you say what you say here, or would you say something along the lines of "Well, it is that person's right to vote according to whatever standards he has, but he is still a blatant bigot."?

Really doesn't matter now, does it? You are comparing what someone cannot help being (black in this case) with someone who has a choice (atheist or someone who believes in a higher power).

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I am a liberal, a classical liberal. Classical liberalism is liberalism, but the current collectivists have captured that designation in the United States. In Europe they are glad enough to call themselves socialists. But no one in America wants to be called socialist and admit what they are.

Courage, Truth, Honor, Fidelity, Discipline, Hospitality, Industriousness, Self-Reliance, Perseverance

People vote their conscious. That is their right.
I may not agree with whatever their opinion is, but voting based on your beliefs is a right.

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