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    Re: Catholic Church gives D.C. ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by lug-nut View Post
    They're not homophobic.

    Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination. Leviticus 18:22

    Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-11

    But we know that the law [is] good, if a man use it lawfully; Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

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    And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment. And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love [his] neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

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    Institutionalized homophobia because the Jewish progenitors of the Abrahamic religions were homophobic. It's still homophobia.
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    Re: Catholic Church gives D.C. ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by CDavidNeely View Post
    Institutionalized homophobia because the Jewish progenitors of the Abrahamic religions were homophobic. It's still homophobia.

    no, its just wrong
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    Re: Catholic Church gives D.C. ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by daddio View Post
    no, its just wrong
    Why is it wrong?
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    Re: Catholic Church gives D.C. ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by CDavidNeely View Post
    Why is it wrong?

    because it is not right.
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    Why is it wrong?
    Because it is institutionalized and official bigotry, hatred and intolerance. 2000 years of homophobia is inexcusable and should end or be ended.
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    Re: Catholic Church gives D.C. ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by EricOKC View Post
    Insupportable and immoral? Are you seriously suggesting the RCC is being immoral by holding to its moral teachings?

    Please tell me where exactly in Church doctrine the RCC must encourage, endorse and reward behavior considered sinful? PLEASE...i have GOT to see this...
    I am seriously suggesting that the church has elevated politics above charity.
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    Re: Catholic Church gives D.C. ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by EricOKC View Post
    What is really amazing to me is that you seem to have missed the very plain statement that the RCC is more concerned about being forced, by law, to extend benefits to same sex couples (there are some homosexuals who work for the Diocese).

    Do all of you simply ignore the facts and react based on the fact that some gay person somewhere, may actually have to accept that they do not get their way all the damn time?
    The church extends benefits to sinners every day. Singling out this particular subgroup of sinners is a political act -not a religious or moral one.
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    Re: Catholic Church gives D.C. ultimatum

    Whats the matter, does the Catholic Church not have the right to choose?
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    Re: Catholic Church gives D.C. ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by daddio View Post
    you might like the Episcopal Church (aka JVRC junior varsity roman catholic) parcicularly one of the high church ones. its got all that you like about the RCC without the Pope.

    that is actually a serious recommendation. I'm Episcopal myself.
    My wife and I have actually discussed the idea more than once. An acquaintance of mine was the rector of our local episcopal church about ten years ago and we've attended a few times. Many of the things which I have the hardest time with as a catholic are not a problem for episcopals yet they are the most catholic of any protestant church in their approach to worship.

    My wife was born and raised catholic and she feels a cultural and familial connection. But I was raised presbyterian and made the decision to convert after we married so I don't have those same ties. Maybe when our current priest for whom we both have a hgih regard retires we might go that way.
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    Re: Catholic Church gives D.C. ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by Commodore View Post
    Whats the matter, does the Catholic Church not have the right to choose?
    That's funny.
    But seriosuly of course it does. And we have a right to discuss whether that choice is an appropriate one.
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    Re: Catholic Church gives D.C. ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by timj219 View Post
    My wife and I have actually discussed the idea more than once. An acquaintance of mine was the rector of our local episcopal church about ten years ago and we've attended a few times. Many of the things which I have the hardest time with as a catholic are not a problem for episcopals yet they are the most catholic of any protestant church in their approach to worship.

    My wife was born and raised catholic and she feels a cultural and familial connection. But I was raised presbyterian and made the decision to convert after we married so I don't have those same ties. Maybe when our current priest for whom we both have a hgih regard retires we might go that way.

    I get your wife's deal. I really do think its an excellent fit. In any manner, vaya con Dios.
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    Re: Catholic Church gives D.C. ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by daddio View Post
    because it is not right.
    How did you determine that it wasn't right.
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    Re: Catholic Church gives D.C. ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by CDavidNeely View Post
    How did you determine that it wasn't right.
    He didn't. We don't. Thats the whole point.
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    Re: Catholic Church gives D.C. ultimatum

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    He didn't. We don't. That's the whole point.
    If you didn't then who did?




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    Re: Catholic Church gives D.C. ultimatum

    Quote Originally Posted by CDavidNeely View Post
    If you didn't then who did?

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