Thread: Yang America Yin China

Originally Posted by Melawati

In 1950 your economy is 50% of the world. Today it is 20%. In another 50 years? Never ask yourself why? too comfortable or too scary to ask?

The U.S. never had 50% of the worlds GDP. It has less of a share now then it did in 1950. it's no great secret, no mystery that in 1950 the only large industrial nation not to be ravaged by the war was the most prosperous because it didn't have to do any rebuilding.

Originally Posted by Melawati

In Chinese tradition, it is very honorable to die in one's own country and doubly shameful to die in exile not of your own intention..For that China will not give him the honor to die in China. We are not scared of him. But, I think it is better he dont return. There is already a Panchen Lama in China.

What about Tibetan tradition? The Panchen Lama is, of course, your puppet, and you only allow him to stay in office so long as he supports your views.

No clemacy for those who don't dare oppose China...

Originally Posted by WharfedaleTiger

Humm, I'm British (it says on the little box next to my username.) and I'm in a country which gambled too much on the stockmarket. Americas position in the 50's was always unatural; untouched by war with the other tradional major powers trying to recover from WW2 it was always going to be that strong. 20% is still a huge proportion of the world economy and with Americas resources I don't see it dipping below 10%. At the end of the day the world is always in flux; 100 years ago my nation controlled 30% of the worlds surface now we only have the UK. Things change.

Dahl is wrong? Any reason for that. Do you claim that your government does allow some degree of pluralism into society? Does your government allow internal divisions to surface? Can you join a free trade union? A political party other than the CCP?

what does a yang culture do? a yang culture do very well in a world of unlimited resources. But the world of unlimited resources is going going gone.
The political system of America has always been its weak point, not its strong point. The people are its strong point.

But the people will be leaving America for better places. Nobody wants a sinking ship. At most in 20 years, America's share will be down to 10% with 5% of the world's people but also the most uneven distribution of wealth of any large nation. America will be in big big trouble because its political system is for quarrelling, not for solving problems.

Originally Posted by WharfedaleTiger

Humm, I'm British (it says on the little box next to my username.) and I'm in a country which gambled too much on the stockmarket. Americas position in the 50's was always unatural; untouched by war with the other tradional major powers trying to recover from WW2 it was always going to be that strong. 20% is still a huge proportion of the world economy and with Americas resources I don't see it dipping below 10%. At the end of the day the world is always in flux; 100 years ago my nation controlled 30% of the worlds surface now we only have the UK. Things change.

Dahl is wrong? Any reason for that. Do you claim that your government does allow some degree of pluralism into society? Does your government allow internal divisions to surface? Can you join a free trade union? A political party other than the CCP?

Dahl is wrong because there is no oppression in China. It is a meritocratic country. Free trade union? We have to force foreign companies like Wal Mart to have free trade unions. They try to get away with it but we will not let them.

As for political parties, they are other minor parties besides the CCP . here is a short note....

Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

they don't fight in public, if that is what you are looking for.

Now, we have 60 years of experience of how to get things done. They dont do slip shot work anymore. Every recommendation , every policy is well studied. The system works because the people are patriotic. That is the final test. It is not a system of laymen...It is a system of experts. How to put it? It is like China Inc......People has no problem with national level policies and announcements of changes. People's problems are always at the local level.

Originally Posted by WharfedaleTiger

An yet its the most powerful country in the world and the most advanced country in the world. Its people can access any internet site they like, say what they want and live without fear of their government imprising them for not conforming to certain ideological views.

As Dahl said 'A hedgemonic regime can only survive by oppressing external conflicts and preventing the creation of a pluralistic social order' thats what you have at the moment; the CCP is not the best form of government just as no single party system ever will be.

..and yet the Axis powers were defeated in less time than the fight against Al Qaeda and the "war on Terror" has been going on and which currently has no end in sight.

Originally Posted by Steerpike

..and yet the Axis powers were defeated in less time than the fight against Al Qaeda and the "war on Terror" has been going on and which currently has no end in sight.

I suspect the strategic goals of the axis differing from Al Qaeda and the political restraints evidenced by modern rules of engagement would serve to explain some of the differences in the two conflicts.

Originally Posted by Melawati

Dahl is wrong because there is no oppression in China. It is a meritocratic country. Free trade union? We have to force foreign companies like Wal Mart to have free trade unions. They try to get away with it but we will not let them.

As for political parties, they are other minor parties besides the CCP . here is a short note....

Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

they don't fight in public, if that is what you are looking for.

Now, we have 60 years of experience of how to get things done. They dont do slip shot work anymore. Every recommendation , every policy is well studied. The system works because the people are patriotic. That is the final test. It is not a system of laymen...It is a system of experts. How to put it? It is like China Inc......People has no problem with national level policies and announcements of changes. People's problems are always at the local level.

Do you actually expect to be taken seriously when you post bullshit like the above? It seems, since this is a discussion board, that you're basically wasting your time posting things that are laughable contradicted by any rational review of the evidence we have available.

Originally Posted by Steerpike

..and yet the Axis powers were defeated in less time than the fight against Al Qaeda and the "war on Terror" has been going on and which currently has no end in sight.

dont forget Germany is practically defeated by Soviets even before D Day. but that is besides the point.

the point is.....America is a yang culture. A yang culture needs a world with unlimited resources for it to conquer. A yang culture begins to die when resources become scarce. The American political system is for quarreling not for problem solving. , not for harmonious living, not for co-operation and cannot make proper decisions even if its life depended on....that is why it is unable to solve any major issue in any logical manner nowadays...ceratinly not in a democractic manner...by democratic, I mean benefiting the majority of the people and in accordance with the will of the public..

Originally Posted by Tanngrisnir3

Do you actually expect to be taken seriously when you post bullshit like the above? It seems, since this is a discussion board, that you're basically wasting your time posting things that are laughable contradicted by any rational review of the evidence we have available.

how things get done in China is certainly not the way you do it over there....check out Walmart if in doubt what I say. That you can check because Walmart is an American company.

Originally Posted by Melawati

the point is.....America is a yang culture. A yang culture needs a world with unlimited resources for it to conquer. A yang culture begins to die when resources become scarce.

China is increasingly exploiting the resources of Africa demonstrating the utter nonsense in what you typed above.

Originally Posted by Melawati

how things get done in China is certainly not the way you do it over there....check out Walmart if in doubt what I say. That you can check because Walmart is an American company.

I'm not arguing about how things are done in China, or about Walmart.

Such statements that 'China is a meritocracy' and 'there is no oppression in China' are clearly false, outright fantasy and clearly do not stand up to even the most cosmetic of scrutiny.

Originally Posted by JDJarvis

China is increasingly exploiting the resources of Africa demonstrating the utter nonsense in what you typed above.

China is yin culture. China will survive whether there are resources in Africa. We just do with less.

Originally Posted by Tanngrisnir3

I'm not arguing about how things are done in China, or about Walmart.

Such statements that 'China is a meritocracy' and 'there is no oppression in China' are clearly false, outright fantasy and clearly do not stand up to even the most cosmetic of scrutiny.

In that case, you have no idea what is China...and how it got its people so patriotic.