Thread: International Burn a Quran Day~

Originally Posted by MattInFla

So, if anyone wants to appear on TV .. just grab an American flag and burn it?? what message are they sending to other extremists around the world?

Ouch. That's gonna sting.

Originally Posted by Wisdom_Seeker

Shouldnt there be some sort of watchdog for media agencies?

They are behaving very irresponsibly to promote this guy's idiocy and make the issue worse.

If this guy burnt the qurans outside his church with no media attention no one wud hear about it and no one wud give a sht.

The media's motives here are clear. They wanna stir things up and create more anti-muslim sentiment when giving this lunic a voice.

This is crazy.. .so if anyone wants to appear on TV .. just grab a quran and burn it?? what message are they sending to other extremists around the country!

WS.

Well you have media matters, but they only watch FOX.

Quite amazing that a small church with only 30 to 50 members is gaining this kind of world wide notoriety. It's pretty obvious why the church hasn't grown beyond that size. Yet people will look over here and blame America (and probably Christianity) for the actions of a small few.

BTW, these people are getting more attention from government heads than the Phelps' church (or cult, should I say).

Originally Posted by MattInFla

I have to ask - what's the big deal about burning any "holy" book?

Assuming that the actual physical book in question has no historical significance (i.e. we're not talking about burning a 400 year old Koran), what's the issue?

Is it the cardboard and paper that are "holy", or the ideals? It's not like they are burning the last Koran / Bible / L. Ron Hubbard Novel. The ideas in the book continue even when the paper and cardboard are gone.

The intention is not to burn a "book" but what the book represents, i.e this pastor wants to cause offense and stir up hatred etc.... his intention is not to warm up the place with some book burning.

Anyway Quran is a recitation, not a book as such. It was not meant to be a book. At the time of Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) it was memorized off by heart and applied in every day life.... it was only written in books in fourth khilafa under Othman Bin Affan... in order for Muslims to revise it when they forget some verses etc. Then from there, they interpretted it and other books came out etc. Originally its a recitation and thats how it came down from above!

Originally Posted by MattInFla

So, if anyone wants to appear on TV .. just grab an American flag and burn it?? what message are they sending to other extremists around the world?

I dont disagree with you Matt. I think the idea of burning a flag is completely stupid and has no benefit to anyone, just like burning the Quran. I am sure those doing it are ignorant and just want to find a means to get out their frustration.

The point I was making is the media are making this worse by giving importance to such incidents. I cudnt give a toss if someone burns a Quran in the middle of florida, I dont want to hear about it and I dont want it in my face every time I switch on the TV.

WS.

Originally Posted by Wisdom_Seeker

I dont disagree with you Matt. I think the idea of burning a flag is completely stupid and has no benefit to anyone, just like burning the Quran. I am sure those doing it are ignorant and just want to find a means to get out their frustration.

The point I was making is the media are making this worse by giving importance to such incidents. I cudnt give a toss if someone burns a Quran in the middle of florida, I dont want to hear about it and I dont want it in my face every time I switch on the TV.

WS.

I could not agree with you more - if the media just ignored this fool, there would be no issue.

Matt

Originally Posted by MattInFla

I could not agree with you more - if the media just ignored this fool, there would be no issue.

Matt

I'm not sure that's the case. Just because we wouldn't be hearing about it on the news doesn't mean that the world's Islamic community wouldn't still be concerned. IIRC, the news coverage started after protests in several Muslim nations, rather than the protests stemming from coverage.




Also, a quick question for our Christian membership - is there anywhere that Jesus says anything resembling the concept that burning, destroying, or defiling the symbols of another religion was encouraged behavior?

Originally Posted by Sunshine

OK, let me get this straight. Muslims are Americans.

Correct, that's what I said.

So those muslims who are threatening our soldiers and American overseas are Americans?

Incorrect, I never said that.

Whatever you say, you da man!

Hey, thanks, Sunshine!

Originally Posted by Wisdom_Seeker

Most important thing is they have a legal right to develop this facility.

Is it really?

Is that the most important thing with respect to International Burn a Qu'ran Day?

So the Quran burning saga has taken another turn. Crazy Jones is saying he will not do it on Saturday until Musri talks to the Imam to move the NY Islamic cultural centre project? Imagine if this is allowed,.. you going to have people burning all kinda things to protest against certain projects or to protest anything. This is crazy! The Imam should play it diplomatically.

Afghanis protested outside Nato base due to this stupid Quran burning issue and 3 were shot by Nato soldiers, I believe one of them is dead (confirmed). This is what I mean by consequences to stupidity publicised worldwide by the media.

BBC News - US Koran-burning protests sweep Afghanistan

Now he is saying he is "thinking" of calling it off!... Can someone please drive to his church and take this guy to a psychiatrist hospital?

Protesters in Afghanistan burnt US flags and chanted "death to christians" ... oh great :rolleyes: nutters at the other side of the world are reacting as expected.

WS.

Originally Posted by Wisdom_Seeker

So the Quran burning saga has taken another turn. Crazy Jones is saying he will not do it on Saturday until Musri talks to the Imam to move the NY Islamic cultural centre project? Imagine if this is allowed,.. you going to have people burning all kinda things to protest against certain projects or to protest anything. This is crazy! The Imam should play it diplomatically.

Afghanis protested outside Nato base due to this stupid Quran burning issue and 3 were shot by Nato soldiers, I believe one of them is dead (confirmed). This is what I mean by consequences to stupidity publicised worldwide by the media.

BBC News - US Koran-burning protests sweep Afghanistan

Now he is saying he is "thinking" of calling it off!... Can someone please drive to his church and take this guy to a psychiatrist hospital?

Protesters in Afghanistan burnt US flags and chanted "death to christians" ... oh great :rolleyes: nutters at the other side of the world are reacting as expected.

WS.

Wow, really? People are protesting amd buring American flags, at the mere threat of some Americans burning qurans? I mean, not one quran has even been lit on fire yet, and people are going apeshit?

What a bunch of assholes. Eh, that's probably not fair.. 'ignorant' is probably a better description.. but still, way to over-react!

Originally Posted by Jefe

Wow, really? People are protesting amd buring American flags, at the mere threat of some Americans burning qurans? I mean, not one quran has even been lit on fire yet, and people are going apeshit?

What a bunch of assholes. Eh, that's probably not fair.. 'ignorant' is probably a better description.. but still, way to over-react!

Well majority of Afghanis are uneducated and Jones knew he can get a reaction out of Muslims somewhere.

Majority of protests in other countries have been peaceful but in Afghanistan it got a lil heated as you'd expect.

My concern was reactions that will lead to ppl dying, I dont give a sht if he burns 1000s of Qurans, do it in your backyard away from the rest of the world.

WS.

One thing I've found interesting while reading comments from Muslims around the web is that a lot of them lack an understanding of freedom of expression. It's as if the idea is completely foreign to them, maybe from being so used to governments that enforce protection of Islam. Many are wondering why the US government doesn't throw all these people in jail and even go on to say because they're not being thrown in jail, the US government endorses these actions.

This Koran burning issue highlights other issues, and public opinion regarding them.
In 1944, if you wanted to stage an anti-communist demonstration, it would have been regarded as completely un-patriotic to antagonize our "great Soviet Allies".

Now, it's completely acceptable to a large portion of the public to antagonize our "great Iraqi Allies" and our "great Afghani Allies", because we just don't give a shit about those wars.