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    Evangelical Atheists

    That’s right fans you heard it here first… or at least right after the NYT posted it:

    Atheist Groups Promote a Holiday Message: Join Us

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/10/us/10atheist.html

    Four separate and competing national organizations representing various streams of atheists, humanists and freethinkers will soon be spreading their gospel through advertisements on billboards, buses and trains, and in newspapers and magazines.

    The latest, announced on Tuesday in Washington, is the first to include spots on television and cable. This campaign juxtaposes particularly primitive — even barbaric — passages from the Bible and the Koran with quotations from nonbelievers and humanists like Albert Einstein and Katharine Hepburn.

    The godless groups say they are mounting this surge because they are aware that they have a large, untapped army of potential troops. The percentage of American adults who say they have no religion has doubled in the last two decades, to 15 percent, according to the American Religious Identification Survey, conducted by researchers at Trinity College in Hartford and released in 2008. But the ranks of the various atheist organizations number only in the tens of thousands.

    That is one reason for the multiple campaigns: the groups are competing with one another to gain market share, said Mark Silk, founding director of the Greenberg Center for the Study of Religion in Public Life, which is also at Trinity College.

    “There’s a competitive environment for ‘no religion,’ and they’re grabbing for all the constituents they can get,” Mr. Silk said.

    Relying on the largess of a few wealthy atheists, these groups are now capable of bankrolling efforts to recruit and organize a population that mostly has been quiet and closeted.
    Now call me silly… but that sounds a lot like… well… a church to me. “Please, come and (not) believe as I do!”

    Throw in the “competitive environment” and you’ve got… a war of faith.

    What’s next? The No-Salvation Army?

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    Re: Evangelical Atheists

    Evangelical Atheists <-- can't stand 'em. In some cases, they seem worse than those who follow Judeo–Christian or Islamic faiths, IMO.

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    Re: Evangelical Atheists

    As a non-believer I went to one Humanist meeting. I thought it would be nice to express my thoughts without fear of being thought I was the freaking Antichrist. But it was just like another freaking religion.
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    Re: Evangelical Atheists

    Evangelical Athiest = Idiot who believed in Heaven and Hell and is pissed off because he was so fucking stupid.

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    Evangelical Athiests,
    I have always been facinated with conundrums. As every religion before them has done, the Athiests are organizing. Perhaps not a conundrum at al,l but just another example of history repeating itself.

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    This campaign juxtaposes particularly primitive — even barbaric — passages from the Bible and the Koran with quotations from nonbelievers and humanists like Albert Einstein and Katharine Hepburn.


    Albert Einstein believed in God. I'd be curious to see what quotation they are using from him.

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    Aw, just another place for men to meet women and vice versa.

    Atheists IMO are no different from religious folks, in that they have their beliefs, stand fervently by those beliefs, and at some point will organize as to find women to bed down with. Just another mating ritual really.

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    Re: Evangelical Atheists

    Quote Originally Posted by Fidei Defensor View Post


    Albert Einstein believed in God. I'd be curious to see what quotation they are using from him.
    "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly."
    From this book
    The intellectual journey that had began with Copernicus displacing humans from the centre of the Universe and continued with Darwin’s insistence that humans are merely modified monkeys has finally focused in on the very essence of life. And there was nothing special about it. The double helix is an elegant structure, but its message is downright prosaic: life is simply a matter of chemistry.
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    Re: Evangelical Atheists

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Doggy View Post
    Aw, just another place for men to meet women and vice versa.
    Atheists IMO are no different from religious folks, in that they have their beliefs, stand fervently by those beliefs, and at some point will organize as to find women to bed down with. Just another mating ritual really.
    Only... atheists do not have set beliefs.
    Religious people cannot fathom this, and therefore view atheistic worldview through their mindset. This creates minsunderstanding and is rather amusing.
    Atheism is a reject to a claim, critical thinking with reliance on evidence.
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    Re: Evangelical Atheists

    Quote Originally Posted by Fennica View Post
    Only... atheists do not have set beliefs.
    Religious people cannot fathom this, and therefore view atheistic worldview through their mindset. This creates minsunderstanding and is rather amusing.
    Atheism is a reject to a claim, critical thinking with reliance on evidence.
    Both sides seem unable to fathom each other.
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    Re: Evangelical Atheists

    Quote Originally Posted by Aarstad View Post
    "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly."
    From this book
    Interesting. My knowledge of him comes largely from this book: Amazon.com: Einstein: His Life and Universe (9780743264747): Walter Isaacson: Books

    Still, he is modifying God with the adjective "personal"; that leads me to believe that he believes in a non-personal God, whatever that is ... Putting it all together, based on what I read, I believe that Einstein believed in a Creator. I don't think he was an atheist.

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    Re: Evangelical Atheists

    Quote Originally Posted by Fennica View Post
    Only... atheists do not have set beliefs.
    Religious people cannot fathom this, and therefore view atheistic worldview through their mindset. This creates minsunderstanding and is rather amusing.
    Atheism is a reject to a claim, critical thinking with reliance on evidence.
    Sure they do. Their set belief is that they believe that there is no God. I wish everything was this easy to explain.
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    Re: Evangelical Atheists

    Quote Originally Posted by Fidei Defensor View Post
    Interesting. My knowledge of him comes largely from this book: Amazon.com: Einstein: His Life and Universe (9780743264747): Walter Isaacson: Books

    Still, he is modifying God with the adjective "personal"; that leads me to believe that he believes in a non-personal God, whatever that is ... Putting it all together, based on what I read, I believe that Einstein believed in a Creator. I don't think he was an atheist.
    He also said, directly, that he was not an atheist. He wouldn't call himself a pantheist, either. Based on what I have read about him, it seems he was kind of uninterested in making any clear assertions. He did, however, deny that he believed in any kind of connection between a god/gods and mankind.

    People sure are eager to make it seem like Einstein is on their side. One of the downsides to being really clever, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fidei Defensor View Post
    Interesting. My knowledge of him comes largely from this book: Amazon.com: Einstein: His Life and Universe (9780743264747): Walter Isaacson: Books

    Still, he is modifying God with the adjective "personal"; that leads me to believe that he believes in a non-personal God, whatever that is ... Putting it all together, based on what I read, I believe that Einstein believed in a Creator. I don't think he was an atheist.
    He was a deist. i.e., he believed in a creator, but one that did not partake in the creation after the act of creation.

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    Re: Evangelical Atheists

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrewl View Post
    He was a deist. i.e., he believed in a creator, but one that did not partake in the creation after the act of creation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aarstad View Post
    He also said, directly, that he was not an atheist.
    Hey, I was right!

    People sure are eager to make it seem like Einstein is on their side. One of the downsides to being really clever, I guess.
    Well, naturally: The man was a genius! For myself, I have only ever represented that Einstein believed in God, and I think that is an accurate statement although I understand why he would want to clarify that.

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