Thread: Mental Health Group Looks to Remove Stigma From Pedophilia

You had to know this was coming ... next the peds will want to legally want to be able to have relationships with children. Bury them.

Originally Posted by JDJarvis

"If the facts are clear"...hmmm how do we determine if the facts are clear...with a trial.

You are advocating a police state where the police get a free pass on murder by saying "pedophile".


How does that protect the vast majority of pedophilia victims who are molested by someone they trust, typically a member of their own family?

I am advocating extreme and immediate pain for anyone who touches a kid - stranger, friend or family member. I can absolutely guarantee you no peds will move into our neighborhood. Ask my neighbors the Smiths and the Wessons. Got the picture?

And, the neighbors and police here in West Los Angeles will all tell you the same thing. This is a father's issue to resolve with friends, neighbors, and community. You can be sure the GLBT couple of 27 years up the block were helping with the effort. I had just cleaned my gun, and was out walking the dog. There may or may not have been an LAPD police officer in the group that night at the ped's house - I do not recall. It was dark and difficult to see faces. This guy was only a registered sex offender, looking for a fresh start, and we helped him find it. Funny the guy disappeared that night with his car and what he was wearing. The next day there was a real estate sign on the vacated house. There are no second chances for peds.

I'd say we have a pretty good neighborhood watch, a nice mix of liberals and conservatives working together in what could be described as a "town meeting atmosphere of cooperation." And, we are not a bunch of rednecks either, median income in our community is $78,000 a year.

Get all moral if you want, when it happens to your kid, or one near you, you'll figure it out. Victims and families are not going to be dragged through the justice system when a father can resolve the matter with a few friends and "neighborly persuasion." This is western justice by conservatives and liberals who appreciate parenting. Got it, Mr. Rationality? Be an adult, take responsibility. This is not an issue to waste time with our failed justice system.

Originally Posted by Latterbach

I am advocating extreme and immediate pain for anyone who touches a kid - stranger, friend or family member. I can absolutely guarantee you no peds will move into our neighborhood. Ask my neighbors the Smiths and the Wessons. Got the picture?

And, the neighbors and police here in West Los Angeles will all tell you the same thing. This is a father's issue to resolve with friends, neighbors, and community. You can be sure the GLBT couple of 27 years up the block were helping with the effort. I had just cleaned my gun, and was out walking the dog. There may or may not have been an LAPD police officer in the group that night at the ped's house - I do not recall. It was dark and difficult to see faces. This guy was only a registered sex offender, looking for a fresh start, and we helped him find it. Funny the guy disappeared that night with his car and what he was wearing. The next day there was a real estate sign on the vacated house. There are no second chances for peds.

I'd say we have a pretty good neighborhood watch, a nice mix of liberals and conservatives working together in what could be described as a "town meeting atmosphere of cooperation." And, we are not a bunch of rednecks either, median income in our community is $78,000 a year.

Get all moral if you want, when it happens to your kid, or one near you, you'll figure it out. Victims and families are not going to be dragged through the justice system when a father can resolve the matter with a few friends and "neighborly persuasion." This is western justice by conservatives and liberals who appreciate parenting. Got it, Mr. Rationality? Be an adult, take responsibility. This is not an issue to waste time with our failed justice system.

I like your style! (Well, except for the redneck part....not all rednecks are poor!)

Originally Posted by michael h

You had to know this was coming ... next the peds will want to legally want to be able to have relationships with children. Bury them.

The simple fix is castration and penile amputation followed by mandatory libido reducing drugs. Them make them wear a tattoo on their forehead that reads: Registered Pedofile.

Maybe not for a first offense but definitely for a second.

• Homosexual Alfred Kinsey, the preeminent
sexual researcher in the history
of sexual research, found in 1948
that 37 percent of all male homosexuals
admitted to having sex with children
under 17 years old.4
• Avery recent (2000) study published
in the Archives of Sexual Behavior
found that “The best epidemiological
evidence indicates that only 2-4% of
men attracted to adults prefer men. In
contrast, around 25-40% of men attracted
to children prefer boys. Thus,
the rate of homosexual attraction is 6-
20 times higher among pedophiles.”5
• Another 2000 study in the Archives of
Sexual Behavior found that “. . . all but
9 of the 48 homosexual men preferred
the youngest two male age categories”
for sexual activity.” These age categories
were fifteen and twenty years old.6
• Yet another recent study in the Archives
of Sexual Behavior found that “Pedophilia
appears to have a greater than
chance association with two other statistically
infrequent phenomena. The
first of these is homosexuality. . . Recent
surveys estimate the prevalence of
homosexuality, among men attracted to
adults, in the neighborhood of 2%. In
contrast, the prevalence of homosexual
among pedophiles may be as high
as 30-40%.”7
• A1989 study in the Journal of Sex
Research noted that “. . . the proportion
of sex offenders against male children
among homosexual men is substantially
larger than the proportion of sex offenders
against female children among
heterosexual men . . . the development
of pedophilia is more closely linked
with homosexuality than with heterosexuality.”
8
• A1988 study of 229 convicted child
molesters published in the Archives of
Sexual Behavior found that 86% of pedophiles
described themselves as homosexual
or bisexual.9
• In a 1984 Journal of Sex and Marital
Therapy article, sex researchers found
that “The proportional prevalence of
[male] offenders against male children
in this group of 457 offenders against
children was 36 percent.”10
• Homosexual activists Karla Jay and
Allen Young revealed in their 1979 Gay
Report that 23% of all homosexuals
have acted as “chicken hawks” — that
is, they have preyed on adolescent or
younger boys.11
• In a 1992 study published in the Journal
of Sex and Marital Therapy, sex
researchers K. Freud and R. I. Watson
found that homosexual males are three
times more likely than straight men to
engage in pedophilia, and that the average
pedophile victimizes between 20
and 150 boys before being arrested.12

• A study by sex researchers Alan Bell
and Martin Weinberg found that 25%
of white homosexual men have had sex
with boys sixteen years and younger.13
http://www.afany.org/HPR.pdf

This seems like you are not posting all pertinent information plus I find your sources to be dubious. Nonetheless there is an explanation if that were all accurate.

Look at priests. They have a long, detailed, documented history with pedophila. What was found out is that they are sexually repressed. It is not normal human behavior to not have sex and sexual urges. They look for ways to fill that void and since they need to keep it secret, they prey upon children because they are easily manipulated.

The same can be said for gay men. Many spend their whole lives in the closet and are too fearful to engage in a sexual act with another man for fear of being outed so that repression manifests itself in a way that leads to pedophilia, much for the same reason as priests. So the question has to be posed--Can society to be partially to blame for it's disdain for homosexuality throughout history? It's a valid question.

It's not just about homosexuality either. Anyone with an orientation that is not inline with mainstream mindset can suffer the same thing. Pedophilia can arise from many repressed "deviances" like, cross-dressing, sexual identity issues, a foot fetish, bondage, etc....These are things that become repressed in people who are too afraid to reveal their proclivities. Even then it may not lead to pedophilia but other activities like excessive masturbation or porn addiction.

We do not see this with women because our male-dominated society tends to be more tolerant of female sexuality. That and men have a naturally more aggressive libidos. Most pedophiles are just adult men who cannot land a chick their age because they are so pathetic so they prey on young kids.

Final observation. Have you ever watched dateline NBC and noticed the types of people that they catch? Anywhere from doctors and lawyers to soldiers to hillbilly meth addicts, street thugs and school teachers. Many of them married with children of their own so using whatever information you got is either taken out of context or intentionally misleading.

Nonetheless, while I am always on board with trying to understand anything better, I have no sympathy for pedophiles. Maybe you have one guy who just wanted to try it once for the "thrill" so we put him in prison and give him a second chance but if/when he gets out and does it again, off with the frank and the beans and forcibly medicated to reduce his libido to zero. Hell, I'll even add a surgically implanted GPS tracker so we know where they are at all times and make them call their handler every hour on the hour 24 hours per day for life. With any luck they will kill themselves.

Originally Posted by TomBlaze

The simple fix is castration and penile amputation followed by mandatory libido reducing drugs. Them make them wear a tattoo on their forehead that reads: Registered Pedofile.

Maybe not for a first offense but definitely for a second.

Originally Posted by dixon76710

Yeah, I'd be interested to see where that claim originates from. Just the first thing I see on point in a google search.

For example;
• Homosexual Alfred Kinsey, the preeminent
sexual researcher in the history
of sexual research, found in 1948
that 37 percent of all male homosexuals
admitted to having sex with children
under 17 years old.4
• Avery recent (2000) study published
in the Archives of Sexual Behavior
found that “The best epidemiological
evidence indicates that only 2-4% of
men attracted to adults prefer men. In
contrast, around 25-40% of men attracted
to children prefer boys. Thus,
the rate of homosexual attraction is 6-
20 times higher among pedophiles.”5
• Another 2000 study in the Archives of
Sexual Behavior found that “. . . all but
9 of the 48 homosexual men preferred
the youngest two male age categories”
for sexual activity.” These age categories
were fifteen and twenty years old.6
• Yet another recent study in the Archives
of Sexual Behavior found that “Pedophilia
appears to have a greater than
chance association with two other statistically
infrequent phenomena. The
first of these is homosexuality. . . Recent
surveys estimate the prevalence of
homosexuality, among men attracted to
adults, in the neighborhood of 2%. In
contrast, the prevalence of homosexual
among pedophiles may be as high
as 30-40%.”7
• A1989 study in the Journal of Sex
Research noted that “. . . the proportion
of sex offenders against male children
among homosexual men is substantially
larger than the proportion of sex offenders
against female children among
heterosexual men . . . the development
of pedophilia is more closely linked
with homosexuality than with heterosexuality.”
8
• A1988 study of 229 convicted child
molesters published in the Archives of
Sexual Behavior found that 86% of pedophiles
described themselves as homosexual
or bisexual.9
• In a 1984 Journal of Sex and Marital
Therapy article, sex researchers found
that “The proportional prevalence of
[male] offenders against male children
in this group of 457 offenders against
children was 36 percent.”10
• Homosexual activists Karla Jay and
Allen Young revealed in their 1979 Gay
Report that 23% of all homosexuals
have acted as “chicken hawks” — that
is, they have preyed on adolescent or
younger boys.11
• In a 1992 study published in the Journal
of Sex and Marital Therapy, sex
researchers K. Freud and R. I. Watson
found that homosexual males are three
times more likely than straight men to
engage in pedophilia, and that the average
pedophile victimizes between 20
and 150 boys before being arrested.12

• A study by sex researchers Alan Bell
and Martin Weinberg found that 25%
of white homosexual men have had sex
with boys sixteen years and younger.13
http://www.afany.org/HPR.pdf

This seems like you are not posting all pertinent information plus I find your sources to be dubious. Nonetheless there is an explanation if that were all accurate.

Look at priests. They have a long, detailed, documented history with pedophila. What was found out is that they are sexually repressed. It is not normal human behavior to not have sex and sexual urges. They look for ways to fill that void and since they need to keep it secret, they prey upon children because they are easily manipulated.

The same can be said for gay men. Many spend their whole lives in the closet and are too fearful to engage in a sexual act with another man for fear of being outed so that repression manifests itself in a way that leads to pedophilia, much for the same reason as priests. So the question has to be posed--Can society to be partially to blame for it's disdain for homosexuality throughout history? It's a valid question.

It's not just about homosexuality either. Anyone with an orientation that is not inline with mainstream mindset can suffer the same thing. Pedophilia can arise from many repressed "deviances" like, cross-dressing, sexual identity issues, a foot fetish, bondage, etc....These are things that become repressed in people who are too afraid to reveal their proclivities. Even then it may not lead to pedophilia but other activities like excessive masturbation or porn addiction.

We do not see this with women because our male-dominated society tends to be more tolerant of female sexuality. That and men have a naturally more aggressive libidos. Most pedophiles are just adult men who cannot land a chick their age because they are so pathetic so they prey on young kids.

Final observation. Have you ever watched dateline NBC and noticed the types of people that they catch? Anywhere from doctors and lawyers to soldiers to hillbilly meth addicts, street thugs and school teachers. Many of them married with children of their own so using whatever information you got is either taken out of context or intentionally misleading.

Nonetheless, while I am always on board with trying to understand anything better, I have no sympathy for pedophiles. Maybe you have one guy who just wanted to try it once for the "thrill" so we put him in prison and give him a second chance but if/when he gets out and does it again, off with the frank and the beans and forcibly medicated to reduce his libido to zero. Hell, I'll even add a surgically implanted GPS tracker so we know where they are at all times and make them call their handler every hour on the hour 24 hours per day for life. With any luck they will kill themselves.

This is a black and white issue. There is no middle ground. What I don't understand is why the word "homosexual" continues to pop up in this thread. It does not relate to the issue of peds.

GLBT does not relate to the issue of peds. In my neighborhood the GLBT are as inflamed and active as anyone. As far as ped priests they should be handled the same as any other offender, only with more pain.

I find myself burned out on this disgusting topic. I have said what I have to say, and coupled my philosophy with actions. I am content with my moral compass.

Originally Posted by Latterbach

This is a black and white issue. There is no middle ground. What I don't understand is why the word "homosexual" continues to pop up in this thread. It does not relate to the issue of peds.

Because the two issues are comparable. Both were viewed with distaste and felt to be deviant behavior by our society. One is, through a long-term campaign involving schools, media, and the government, being normalized into a mainstream behavior. Now, the same is being started with the other.

Originally Posted by Latterbach

Peds never get cured. They have to be isolated which is costly. The penal system is letting too many slip through the cracks. Let police officers be jury, judge, and executioner on location. I am not kidding. If the facts are clear, give police the right to resolve when dealing with peds. Problems will go away quickly. Children will be more protected.

Why should some innocent child victim spend a life in therapy because an adult took one of their most precious gifts - their innocence? Be done with them. Peds have no rights. Do it to a kid I know, and I'll resolve you myself. You would end this life in terror.

And, get it correct, 98% of peds are straight. Most pedophiles are straight | Deseret News

~~ At least that is one liberals point of view.

While I am open to giving the death penalty for rape and especially for rape of a minor, I am not and will never be open to the idea of a police officer being "judge, jury and executioner". No offense to the handful of decent cops out there, but most cops are fucking dumb as a bag of hammers. I wouldn't trust them with the ultimate power of life and death without peer review, period. Shooting back in self defense is one thing. Executing someone you presume guilty after about 5 minutes on the scene is fucking stupid. Take them to trial and let a jury of their peers tell them they are a disgusting pedophile and deserve to be shot. I'm a ok with that. But there is a damn good reason why we don't allow cops, or indeed anyone involved in the incident, to pass sentence. The arbiter is supposed to be objective, not subjective. They are supposed to view the case logically and fully without blinders. They need to see both sides. A cop on the scene does not see that, I don't care how good (in the objective sense, not in the sense of proficiency though my statement would stand in either case) he is.

Originally Posted by Latterbach

I am advocating extreme and immediate pain for anyone who touches a kid - stranger, friend or family member. I can absolutely guarantee you no peds will move into our neighborhood. Ask my neighbors the Smiths and the Wessons. Got the picture?

You are aware that people lie, children lie, and police lie? We have a legal system to cut down on mistakes and fraudulent claims. Got the picture?

And, the neighbors and police here in West Los Angeles will all tell you the same thing. This is a father's issue to resolve with friends, neighbors, and community. You can be sure the GLBT couple of 27 years up the block were helping with the effort. I had just cleaned my gun, and was out walking the dog. There may or may not have been an LAPD police officer in the group that night at the ped's house - I do not recall. It was dark and difficult to see faces. This guy was only a registered sex offender, looking for a fresh start, and we helped him find it. Funny the guy disappeared that night with his car and what he was wearing. The next day there was a real estate sign on the vacated house. There are no second chances for peds.

...
Got it, Mr. Rationality? Be an adult, take responsibility. This is not an issue to waste time with our failed justice system.

I get it. You believe authority and justice come from barrel of a gun or the tyranny of the mob. What a fine Democrat you are.

Originally Posted by Latterbach

This is a black and white issue. There is no middle ground. What I don't understand is why the word "homosexual" continues to pop up in this thread. It does not relate to the issue of peds.

What you don't understand is after the mob lynches the pedos it'll move on to the queers and then start in on the colored, after that it's people that worship god in the wrong way.

The liberal reaction to this thread is so predictable: deny the obvious, be mathematically ignorant with percentages, ignore the politicizing of mental illness by the APA, "them to" with the Catholic Church, and attack the messenger as "protesting too much".

Originally Posted by Damn Yankee

The liberal reaction to this thread is so predictable: deny the obvious, be mathematically ignorant with percentages, ignore the politicizing of mental illness by the APA, "them to" with the Catholic Church, and attack the messenger as "protesting too much".

What liberal response has there been in this thread? I must have missed it.

Originally Posted by JDJarvis

What liberal response has there been in this thread? I must have missed it.

Deny the obvious: Post 22
Be mathematically ignorant with percentages: 3,12
Ignore the politicizing of mental illness by the APA: too many to list
"Them to" with the Catholic Church: 20
Attack the messenger as "protesting too much": 23, 24