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    Re: And the atheist movement begins...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo View Post
    Not quite, and no one is "teary eyed."

    Also, you are wrong. I have no problem with who you believe in. You have every right to worship whatever God you decide on. Just stay out of my life and right to live it the way I see fit. Christians cannot seem to do this else seperation of Church and State would be a non issue. If there is some Atheist running around saying you have no right to worship, take that up with them chief. As for the public part, you may want to elaborate on that a little. Not sure where I ever referenced public displays of religious belief. I can see a potential concern over public meaning involving government space but that is probably another OP and thread.
    Really? sothere are not lawsuits being filed by atheists to have some religious artifact removed or to keep some school from allowing some students from praying?
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    Re: And the atheist movement begins...

    Quote Originally Posted by thanatos144 View Post
    Her parents made her huh????????They made her? They made DNA?
    THey both gave half, and the end-result was a new Homo Sapiens Sapiens with her DNA combination of her parents.
    -So, yes.

    What is the origins of her parents, dictates the genetic make of her DNA.

    Quote Originally Posted by thanatos144 View Post
    Really? sothere are not lawsuits being filed by atheists to have some religious artifact removed or to keep some school from allowing some students from praying?
    THese have to do more with the freedom of religion and keeping the religious ideas from interfering with the proper education.

    People can pray their knees off, so long as it does not take class-time and bother others.
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    Re: And the atheist movement begins...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fennica View Post
    THey both gave half, and the end-result was a new Homo Sapiens Sapiens with her DNA combination of her parents.
    -So, yes.

    What is the origins of her parents, dictates the genetic make of her DNA.

    THese have to do more with the freedom of religion and keeping the religious ideas from interfering with the proper education.

    People can pray their knees off, so long as it does not take class-time and bother others.
    Aww did you think if I believed as you you would be right? Sorry not gonna happen but feel free to keep trying to convince me all you want.
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    Re: And the atheist movement begins...

    Quote Originally Posted by thanatos144 View Post
    Really? sothere are not lawsuits being filed by atheists to have some religious artifact removed or to keep some school from allowing some students from praying?
    Well, in a public school there should not be support of any one religion over another. As for religious artifact, if those are in a government buildings they also should be removed. Why should everyone have to adhere to what Christians want displayed in public space? (I take it that is what we are debating now, or are you saying religious artifact being on and praying on private property? On private property do as you want, not a concern of mine.)
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    Re: And the atheist movement begins...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo View Post
    Well, in a public school there should not be support of any one religion over another. As for religious artifact, if those are in a government buildings they also should be removed. Why should everyone have to adhere to what Christians want displayed in public space? (I take it that is what we are debating now, or are you saying religious artifact being on and praying on private property?)
    And thus you just proved my point.....Christians are not the intolerant ones in this discussion.
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    Re: And the atheist movement begins...

    Quote Originally Posted by thanatos144 View Post
    And thus you just proved my point.....Christians are not the intolerant ones in this discussion.
    No it is saying that government should not show favor to any religion. That has nothing to do with tolerance but fairness to any religion or lack of. Again, why should everyone have to adhere to what Christians want? In that, it says volumes about Christian tolerance to take the position that everyone in governmet space should favor what Christians want displayed. Or, that everyone should tolerate Christian prayer in public schools. Why should it be that way?
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    Re: And the atheist movement begins...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo View Post
    No it is saying that government should not show favor to any religion. That has nothing to do with tolerance but fairness to any religion or lack of. Again, why should everyone have to adhere to what Christians want? In that, it says volumes about Christian tolerance to take the position that everyone in governmet space should favor what Christians want displayed. Or, that everyone should tolerate Christian prayer in public schools. Why should it be that way?
    Did we say anything about favoring us???? No just that you dont prosecute us for being Christians what these things do. I have to go to work so if I dont answer you next post in a quick way thats doesn't mean I give up it just means I have bills that have to be paid.
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    Re: And the atheist movement begins...

    Quote Originally Posted by thanatos144 View Post
    Aww did you think if I believed as you you would be right? Sorry not gonna happen but feel free to keep trying to convince me all you want.
    Did you deny the rather well known matters of DNA?
    -Or was this towards the attempts to rid overly christian aspects from U.S. educational arenas?

    If you lack the most basic understanding of DNA, don't talk about it, OK?

    So, your dear wife has lineage waaaay back in time. Nothing odd with that.
    -THank her parents for meeting and having an offspring.
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    Re: And the atheist movement begins...

    Quote Originally Posted by thanatos144 View Post
    Did we say anything about favoring us???? No just that you dont prosecute us for being Christians what these things do. I have to go to work so if I dont answer you next post in a quick way thats doesn't mean I give up it just means I have bills that have to be paid.
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    Re: And the atheist movement begins...

    Fennica,
    Your comment about common DNA.

    You...It doesn't exist.
    Me...I posted a link saying it does exist.
    You...responded to that post that, "yeah, we've known about this for a long time."

    And in the last 24 hours you once again say it doesn't exist?

    Be consistent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fennica View Post
    How can I hate somethings I find no good reasons to believe in?

    It's like me asking you why you hate the Kingdom of Åland so much.

    How is demand of evidence the same as hate?
    -Why can't you present solid evidence to defend your particular Pantheon?

    THere you go on to make the same mistake yet again.
    -Religious morality is not the same as cultural morality.

    In fact, YOU would not follow the moralities found in yer own holy book.
    -I am sure of that.
    Look I get it. You hate God. You also don't understand that in the US our cultural morality is based on Christian morality. Unless of course you are a liberal and deny reality.

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    Re: And the atheist movement begins...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fennica View Post
    Did you deny the rather well known matters of DNA?
    -Or was this towards the attempts to rid overly christian aspects from U.S. educational arenas?

    If you lack the most basic understanding of DNA, don't talk about it, OK?

    So, your dear wife has lineage waaaay back in time. Nothing odd with that.
    -THank her parents for meeting and having an offspring.
    So DNA originated with my wifes parents? DNA is the soul?
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    Re: And the atheist movement begins...

    Quote Originally Posted by USCitizen View Post
    Fennica,
    Your comment about common DNA.
    Yes?

    You...It doesn't exist.
    Me...I posted a link saying it does exist.
    You...responded to that post that, "yeah, we've known about this for a long time."

    And in the last 24 hours you once again say it doesn't exist?

    Be consistent.
    Humans, we all, are Homo Sapiens Sapiens. We are the last of the human species, all others have been wiped out.
    -During the late pleistocene era us humans were reduced to a few thousand breeding couples, this is evident in our genetic make. We were few.

    Now, the Biblical tales dictates that there has been devolution, which actually never takes place.
    -Bible states that all humans began from a one couple. Such an event would pass on the same genetic make over and over again, as the new generations could only breed with close relatives.

    What we do not find in our genes, is just that.

    Did you comprehend this time?
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    Re: And the atheist movement begins...

    Quote Originally Posted by Damn Yankee View Post
    Look I get it.
    Apparently you do not.

    You hate God.
    Which deity?
    -How can I hate something I find no reason to believe in?

    But do present an answer to the "which deity" matter. Please?

    You also don't understand that in the US our cultural morality is based on Christian morality.
    This yet another fallacy put forth by religious people.
    -Christian moralities are brutal, unjust and cruel. Your moralities are the product of the Sphere of Culture you live in.

    Unless of course you are a liberal and deny reality.
    This is a gem, and I mean no offense by stating it.

    ¤Liberal by definition allows wide variety of views to be presented and is tolerant.
    -Such mindset is what your very founding fathers had and thus were able to form a nation from a groups of different people.

    ¤I am all for reality, which means I want proof and evidence.
    -Religious people who use that claim as a club do not realize that they themselves have deny huge amounts of real World information and discoveries to have that faith.
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    Re: And the atheist movement begins...

    Quote Originally Posted by thanatos144 View Post
    So DNA originated with my wifes parents?
    Yes.
    -Where they got their DNA? From the generation before them in a fabulous chain of humanity.

    -I am quite sure you try to pull either deities or Adam&Eve story soon, so I am waiting and smiling.


    DNA is the soul?
    No.
    -As I already explained to you, your `soul´ is your electrical impulses in your brain.

    If there is a interruption or damage in your brain, there is a good chance your whole persona will also change.

    There is not a single evidence that the electrical impulses which make you a you, go on after your mechanics shut down.
    -Celestial plains are told not to have Earthly bodies, therefore the elctrical signal cannot exist in the same form.
    (and even if it did, religious teachings state that there is no sorrow in the celestial plains, which in turn means that your `soul´ gets altered anyway)

    In short; there is no soul.
    En uneksi. I do not dream.

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