Thread: End of Civil Liberties and the Constitution

Originally Posted by Disillusioned_1

Honestly, as pointed out in the OP, this trend has been going on for a long time, and I don't know how it gets resolved short of another civil war.

Unfortunately, you're probably right.

Originally Posted by Disillusioned_1

Ron Paul and the percentage of support he gets in the polls is roughly the percentage of people who see this gradual erosion of our liberties as a significant thing. This means the majority of our country doesn't seem to give a shit about our continued progression into a big brother state.

True, but on the plus side, the percentage has been increasing over the years.

So the idea here is to do OUR job and elect those who will try and change it and who HAVE A CHANCE to be elected.

Originally Posted by noahath

If anyone doubts just how real the idea of a US police state is, check out the FEMA web site. It even has a map of how the states would be disolved under an emergency situation and replaced with regions (FEMA: Regional Contacts). BTW, if you're ever bored, have a read of the "emergency" powers that this agency has. They are authorised to do everything you've ever seen in your worst sci fi horr flick. Like I often say, George Orwell's 1984 and Aldous Huxley's Brave New World should both shortly be moved from the fiction section of libraries to the reference section.

Yep, and the scary thing about those divisions is that Obama established that with an executive order, no legislation to speak of. The President decides counsel of governors that sit on the 10 person board (each in charge of a region) and they can completely override the state governments. That is some scary shit.

Originally Posted by jviehe

I am doing something. Im no longer legitimizing it. But I cant stop you from taxing me. But thats irrelevant. Im not here on USPO for my personal feelings. Im here for entertainment.

To each his own I guess, I can respect that. But in all honesty, you don't really have a reason to complain about what Obama's doing to us in that case.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

So the idea here is to do OUR job and elect those who will try and change it and who HAVE A CHANCE to be elected.

That's what some of us are trying to do. Unfortunately, we are demonized as unpatriotic and called crazy and kooky, then the media and talk radio personalities completely railroad the only guy who actually would change this crap and stop this madness.

Originally Posted by ericams2786

That's what some of us are trying to do. Unfortunately, we are demonized as unpatriotic and called crazy and kooky, then the media and talk radio personalities completely railroad the only guy who actually would change this crap and stop this madness.

Oh please. Stating your views are wrong is not saying you are unpatriotic....Saying Certain Congressmen you might support hate their own country is not saying you hate it. Get thicker skin cause it is not my job to not speak my mind the salve your feelings.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

Oh please. Stating your views are wrong is not saying you are unpatriotic....Saying Certain Congressmen you might support hate their own country is not saying you hate it. Get thicker skin cause it is not my job to not speak my mind the salve your feelings.

1. It's the same thing, I wasn't referring to myself specifically; Paul supporters are called unpatriotic and crazy all the time.

2. If Paul "hates" his country for thinking we should simply look at our foreign policy and perhaps change it, then I guess I supposedly do to based on that criteria, I feel its just a simple matter of cause and effect, common sense, and probability.

3. I never said it was your job to "salve" my feelings. In fact this thread and my comment had nothing to do with that. I'm perfectly content. At least I see this crap coming a mile away, folks like you still have your head buried in the sand pretending its just the "libural" "Democrap" boogeyman doing this to you and ANY Republican will save us. It's crap, they are all the same. You might not agree with me on pretty much anything, but surely you can agree that this government oversteps its bounds way too much?

Originally Posted by ericams2786

To each his own I guess, I can respect that. But in all honesty, you don't really have a reason to complain about what Obama's doing to us in that case.

To the extent that it infringes on me, I do, but we get complaints from all sorts here. Ive done my time.

Here's one I've talked about for a while now but forgot to put in the OP:

Enemy Expatriation Act - government can strip you of your citizenship

Senate bill authorizes feds to revoke citizenship of Americans | Western Journalism.com

Originally Posted by jviehe

I am doing something. Im no longer legitimizing it. But I cant stop you from taxing me. But thats irrelevant. Im not here on USPO for my personal feelings. Im here for entertainment.

You legitimize it by paying your taxes and by still living in country.

may the south Rise again!!!!!!!!









Is that what you want to hear?

Originally Posted by fishjoel

You legitimize it by paying your taxes and by still living in country.

Its my property. I can live here all I want. But if I dont pay taxes, theyll use their guns to lock me up. Think of me as working on visa.

If our civil liberties were REALLY threatened then at least half the people who post on forums would have had their internet cut off.
We probably don't know a fraction of the legislation, from local to fed, which is either flat out unconstitutional or threatens our libery.
And when one of these cases pops up the ACLU will be right there looking for more donations.