Thread: Kids, meet Darwin the dog

A site for humanists, i.e. atheists. To each his own I reckon. The only thing that bothers me a bit about these people is their egos are larger than their brains. Human knowledge is SO limited. Yet with this little bit of knowledge it takes a helluva ego to exclaim he knows the TRUTH and the truth is, there is no creator of the universe. LOL. I mean think about it With such a limited knowledge only an oversized ego would ever make such "final" statements.

The real truth here is man has no clue which end of his univese is up, and he then gets busy making assumptions. On these assumtions he rests a very limited knowledge, and from this wobbly structure he makes all sorts of claims. Egoism arises from human ignorance. That's my take on it. Atheists are all men of very large egos. When is the last time you met a humble atheist? Hell they don't exist.

Humanism, atheism is a religion of large human egos.

Originally Posted by Darth Hussein Omar

I stumbled onto this Humanist site whilst surfing the web at work since my services weren't required at the moment. One thing that was particularly interesting was the emphasis placed on Darwin's theory. Which, I am constantly reminded [by some, anyway], is just a theory, that has nothing to do with religion.

Kids Without God

Obviously, in our open and democratic society, there is plenty of room for humanists as well as us theists. But only humanists get to have their religious doctrine [ok, their beliefs] sanctioned by the state and funded by state and federal tax dollars.

Do you think that is fair?

Note: I don't propose a remedy, at this point anyway. I just thought it might make for good debate fodder.

I'm OK for sanctioning science theory in school even if it attempts to discredit the existence of God. We have parents and churches to teach about matters of faith. With so many faiths and belief systems ... the idea of religious doctrine in public school makes me nervous to say the least. I've taken a class in public school that taught of different faiths of which I was ignorant of. I don't remember the name of the class, but I felt it wasn't presented in anyway to suggest there was a God or wasn't a God. That type of teaching I have no problem with.

Science not religion should be taught in schools. Funny thing is I was taught science and the teacher never brought god or religion into it. We probably have science teachers now who are atheists and throw in the non god argument. We just didn't have those sorts of teachers and it was never an issue when I was in school.

Of course non of our textbooks had, " God doesn't exist, now get over it". We learned about science, and religion was never mentioned. Such an easy way to conduct a class.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

A site for humanists, i.e. atheists. To each his own I reckon. The only thing that bothers me a bit about these people is their egos are larger than their brains. Human knowledge is SO limited. Yet with this little bit of knowledge it takes a helluva ego to exclaim he knows the TRUTH and the truth is, there is no creator of the universe. LOL. I mean think about it With such a limited knowledge only an oversized ego would ever make such "final" statements.

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As opposed to the egos of the theists who believe that some supernatural being exists, something that is all knowing and all powerful but exists solely to love them.

A belief that they have despite the total and absolute absence of any proof by the way, just to love them and provide them with a means to escape death.

Re-read what you said in your post. You make final statements despite a lack of any proof.

You make an assumption that if there is actually this supernatural being that your belief structure is the correct one and that al the other religions are false.


Talk about an ego unsupported by any facts or proof, take a good look in the mirror.

Originally Posted by Darth Hussein Omar

Obviously, in our open and democratic society, there is plenty of room for humanists as well as us theists. But only humanists get to have their religious doctrine [ok, their beliefs] sanctioned by the state and funded by state and federal tax dollars.

Do you think that is fair?

Reality is known to have liberal bias.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

Science not religion should be taught in schools. Funny thing is I was taught science and the teacher never brought god or religion into it. We probably have science teachers now who are atheists and throw in the non god argument. We just didn't have those sorts of teachers and it was never an issue when I was in school.

Of course non of our textbooks had, " God doesn't exist, now get over it". We learned about science, and religion was never mentioned. Such an easy way to conduct a class.

Which is the way it should be.

If a child brings up a religious question in a class the teacher should simply say that that is a matter of faith and that they should ask their parents or a religious advisor.

I am not against religion existing, I simply do not see the point in it and believe that the First Amendment makes all government activities a god free zone and all religious activities a government free zone. This is required for the absolute protection of both.

Why is it that the religious while wanting government out of their god are always looking for imaginative ways to bring their god into government?

Originally Posted by Darth Hussein Omar

I stumbled onto this Humanist site whilst surfing the web at work since my services weren't required at the moment. One thing that was particularly interesting was the emphasis placed on Darwin's theory. Which, I am constantly reminded [by some, anyway], is just a theory, that has nothing to do with religion.

Kids Without God

Obviously, in our open and democratic society, there is plenty of room for humanists as well as us theists. But only humanists get to have their religious doctrine [ok, their beliefs] sanctioned by the state and funded by state and federal tax dollars.

Do you think that is fair?

Note: I don't propose a remedy, at this point anyway. I just thought it might make for good debate fodder.

Religious organizations don't get tax benefits, huh?

Originally Posted by Darth Hussein Omar

I stumbled onto this Humanist site whilst surfing the web at work since my services weren't required at the moment. One thing that was particularly interesting was the emphasis placed on Darwin's theory. Which, I am constantly reminded [by some, anyway], is just a theory, that has nothing to do with religion.

Kids Without God

Obviously, in our open and democratic society, there is plenty of room for humanists as well as us theists. But only humanists get to have their religious doctrine [ok, their beliefs] sanctioned by the state and funded by state and federal tax dollars.

Do you think that is fair?

Note: I don't propose a remedy, at this point anyway. I just thought it might make for good debate fodder.

(My emphasis)

Do humanists have a religious doctrine? Is humanism the name of a comprehensive, monolithical theological construct, akin to say, the Roman Catholic Congregation for the Holy Faith?

If humanism describes a religious doctrine, How is it sanctioned by the state?

To this point, absent a declaration on the theological status of the holdings of humanism, Yes, this is fair. In that the State - since the extension of the federal Constitution to the constituent states - is expressly forbidden to make a law limiting the free exercise of religion, & by extension, establishing a State religion.

Which also takes care of the note - there is nothing to remedy.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

A site for humanists, i.e. atheists. To each his own I reckon. The only thing that bothers me a bit about these people is their egos are larger than their brains. Human knowledge is SO limited. Yet with this little bit of knowledge it takes a helluva ego to exclaim he knows the TRUTH and the truth is, there is no creator of the universe. LOL. I mean think about it With such a limited knowledge only an oversized ego would ever make such "final" statements.

The real truth here is man has no clue which end of his univese is up, and he then gets busy making assumptions. On these assumtions he rests a very limited knowledge, and from this wobbly structure he makes all sorts of claims. Egoism arises from human ignorance. That's my take on it. Atheists are all men of very large egos. When is the last time you met a humble atheist? Hell they don't exist.

Humanism, atheism is a religion of large human egos.

(My emphasis)

Is a humanist the same as an atheist? Atheist is pretty clear, but you might want to explain who you have in mind by the word.

Humanist is not clear - there are several definitions. Could you tell us specifically what you have in mind by humanist?

I admit that I have more belief in science, what can be demonstrated, and what can be reasonably theorized from known facts. That being said I have not a single problem with people believing what they want to believe in, and doing so with public presentations, such as nativity scenes.

However, I maintain that you can't conduct public policy by a religious belief system. You end up with strange contortions such as Islamic republics, and the intolerance that springs from them and similar. And what is in our constitution? The separation of church and state. But that does not mean the removal of church and religion from the public square, as seems to be the goal with many of these types of organizations.

On a personal level, I cannot prove or disprove the existence of a divinity, so I leave that matter as 'I don't know'.

Originally Posted by hoosier88

(My emphasis)

Is a humanist the same as an atheist? Atheist is pretty clear, but you might want to explain who you have in mind by the word.

Humanist is not clear - there are several definitions. Could you tell us specifically what you have in mind by humanist?

The site his link was to, was a humanist site and they have an opinion on God, that he does not exist. That is where I got it from. I am not really up on humanism per se. So not sure if there are different flavors of em.

Secular humanism is as much a religion as Christianity. It is a belief system with it's own set of rules.

Originally Posted by OldmanDan

Secular humanism is as much a religion as Christianity. It is a belief system with it's own set of rules.

(My emphasis)

The US courts have consistently rejected the definition of secular humanism as a religion. Which means that in the arena of church/state/public education, secular humanism is not going to be defined out of science class.

& if you think about it - If it's a religion, What is its God? What are its sacraments? What is its bible? Who are its cardinals? Where is its hierarchical center? Where are the seminaries, parishes, convents, tabernacles, its Wailing Wall, its Jerusalem, which are its hymns ...