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Reply With QuoteThe California one requires arrest. So it applies to a tighter range of situations.
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City Mayor
California has a lot of nerve criticizing AZ:
Section 834b in the California Penal Code:
*(a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws. (b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the following: (1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding documentation to indicate his or her legal status. *(2) Notify the person of his or her apparent status as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws and inform him or her that, apart from any criminal justice proceedings, he or she must either obtain legal status or leave the United States. *(3) Notify the Attorney General of California and the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service of the apparent illegal status and provide any additional information that may be requested by any other public entity.* (c) Any legislative, administrative, or other action by a city, county, or other legally authorized local governmental entity with jurisdictional boundaries, or by a law enforcement agency, to prevent or limit the cooperation required by subdivision (a) is expressly prohibited.
Sounds very similar to the provisions of SB 1070
here is the link:
CA Codes (pen:833-851.90)
Vice President
The California one requires arrest. So it applies to a tighter range of situations.
Vice President
Yes, but I wonder just how often the cops actually do their job in relation to this. Doesn't Ca. have sanctuary cities? Just asking as I am not sure if they do or not. Being Ca. I will assume that they do.The California one requires arrest. So it applies to a tighter range of situations.
The illegal alien issue is indeed a huge problem. That the Feds don't want to address in any decent manner. If the Feds don't actively with the full power of the Gov't seek to stop illegal immigration, it only weakens other laws of the land, IMO. One should not pick and choose which laws to enforce.
The only way to stop illegal immigration is somehow to stick a sack of coke on each illegal. Then, the cops would have something to make some bucks off of, and this would entice them to stop and turn over illegals. There is no profit in catching an illegal alien. We have to make it profitable for the judicial system and law enforcement. Then, they will do their jobs, even at the Federal level.Sad to say, but this is how I see this huge mess. Blue Doggy
County Council Member
Yeah. A couple.Originally Posted by Blue Doggy
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City of Industry, CA
City of Commerce, CA
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Davis CA
Downey, CA
Fresno, CA (6/13/07 Congressional Research Service)
Lakewood, CA
Los Angeles, CA (Congressional Research Service)
Long Beach, CA
Lynwood, CA
Maywood, CA
Montebello, CA
National City, CA
Norwalk, CA
Oakland, CA (Added 8-27-07. Source: 4/25/07 story by KCBS 740 AM. Link here.)
Paramount, CA
Pico Rivera, CA
Richmond, CA (Added 11-5-09. Sources: Mayor Gayle McLaughlin's campaign website from 2004, 2006)
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San Bernardino, Ca. (Added 6/7/07, reader submitted / 9/5/08 Listing disputed by the city administration* See addl.notes)
San Diego, CA (Congressional Research Service)
Santa Cruz, CA (Added 5/30/07, documented by KSBW news)
San Francisco, CA (Congressional Research Service)
San Jose, CA (6/13/07 Congressional Research Service)
Santa Maria, CA (11-18-08 Submitted research from local activist/ Listing disputed by the city administration)
Sonoma County, CA (Congressional Research Service)
Vernon, CA
Watsonville, CA (Added 5/30/07, documented by KSBW news)
Wilmington, CA
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Secretary of Defense
I have been saying this for weeks.
Are vital U.S. interests more imperiled by what happens in Iraq where were have 50,000 troops, or Afghanistan where we have 100,000, or South Korea where we have 28,000 -- or by what is happening on our border with Mexico?...What does it profit America if we save Anbar and lose Arizona?
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Concerned Citizen
They don't. There has been all sorts of discussion about just how little enforcement of our laws regarding immigration happens.
It seems like, in many places, new and stricter immigration laws don't need to be passed -- the current ones just need to be enforced!
Citizen
No need to pass new immigration laws. Law enforcers should be more effective and more strict in implementing it. Even if they pass new immigration laws, but do not implement it, its useless.
Secretary of Defense
Are you using these forums to advertise TV DEALS ?
Laws are purchased-Justice with blood.
Secretary of Defense
I think the law reads: If any person "IS" ARRESTED (For any reason) AND is "suspected" of being an illegal alien THEN a complete background check as described in the law should be made along with full cooperation with the INS.
It does not say to arrest some one who is suspected of being an illegal alien.
One needs "probable cause" to "legally" make an "arrest"
Laws are purchased-Justice with blood.
Secretary of Defense
Good Lord ! What are we made of ?Yes, but I wonder just how often the cops actually do their job in relation to this. Doesn't Ca. have sanctuary cities? Just asking as I am not sure if they do or not. Being Ca. I will assume that they do.
The illegal alien issue is indeed a huge problem. That the Feds don't want to address in any decent manner. If the Feds don't actively with the full power of the Gov't seek to stop illegal immigration, it only weakens other laws of the land, IMO. One should not pick and choose which laws to enforce.
The only way to stop illegal immigration is somehow to stick a sack of coke on each illegal. Then, the cops would have something to make some bucks off of, and this would entice them to stop and turn over illegals. There is no profit in catching an illegal alien. We have to make it profitable for the judicial system and law enforcement. Then, they will do their jobs, even at the Federal level.
Laws are purchased-Justice with blood.
Secretary of Defense
Hopefully you are including the laws about those who employ the illegal immigrants.
If no one employed them then there would be no job market for them to come to the US to work illegally.
The issue requires a dual approach, enforcement against the illegal immigrants and enforcement against the people who profit from the illegal immigration.
I always find it strange that only reasonable people agree with me.
Speaker of the House
I call on LA to boycott itself, or at least the state.
...We've traveled to every corner of the United States. I've now been to 57 states. I think one left to go. - Barry Obama
Secretary of State
Agreed, very well put. Enforcement against illegal immigrants alone is useless. The debate itself is useless unless you include those that profit from illegal immigration.
- Frustrated Independent
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
"Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people. - Penn Jillette amazingly enough, and I agree.
Citizen
In the recent war of words regarding Arizona’s newly passed law requiring state and local law enforcement to apprehend those suspected of entering this country illegally, Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa called the Arizona Law “unpatriotic and unconstitutional.” Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa called the Arizona law “unpatriotic and unconstitutional.”
And without fail, many in Nancy Pelosi’s San Francisco are apoplectic.
Yet, many in the Golden State are unfamiliar with their own state law in regards to California law enforcement and illegal immigrants (CA Penal Code 834b). Specifically, California law isn’t all that different from Arizona’s;
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Concerned Citizen
Hi, I'm new to this forum, sorry for resurrecting a 3 week old post. That looks like a very sensible law. You get arrested, you get status checked, and if found deficient, you get handed to the INS. In theory.
Does anyone know what CA law enforcement officials actually do, and are they negligent as regards the observance of this law?
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