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Administrator
This is just getting totally out of hand...
Arizona Dem: Federal Agencies Nixing Conventions Over State's Immigration Law
I don't fault anyone for disagreeing with Arizona SB1070. There's lots of laws that I don't agree with too. I can even understand not going to a particular place because of some ideological disagreement. I, for example, don't frequent vegan restaurants. I am not, however, going to organize a protest against vegan restaurants.
Now things have gone to just an insane level with regard to the Arizona law. Protesters are showing up in all kinds of places....except the border. Is that, perhaps, because the border is a pretty damned dangerous place to be?
Read the news. There are chunks of Arizona that the government has posted as off limits to AMERICANS because the invading forces of illegals have made the area "too dangerous". Check out some of the hilltops on the Tohono O'odham reservation. See that glimmer? It's a observation post that Mexican cartels are using to protect their smuggling routes. It's a permanent base on that hilltop guarded by snipers.
Stop by the Nogales PD and ask them why they don't allow officers to investigate possible drug drops in plain clothes. It's because the cartels have promised to shoot them.
Oh yeah....how do you think all this crap started? I'll tell you. It all started because we let a few harmless, hard working illegal aliens come in and set up shop. It was all so benign. They cleaned our yards and washed our dishes and all was fine. Then, one day, their cousin, "Jose" came to get a job. "Jose" just happened to know someone who could get good weed cheap so we let him stay too.
It was all harmless.
Then the guy down the street hired "Jose" and asked if he knew anyone else that needed a quick job on the QT. "Jose" just happened to know 5 guys that needed work. 3 were hard working and just trying to support their family but the other 2 were really just there to hustle dope and coordinate jobs for the next 25 that were on their way.
See where this is going?
Great, now the federal government is going to sue Arizona over their efforts to enforce the law but that, in and of itself, isn't good enough. The Federal agencies that have business in Arizona are going to take that business elsewhere.
Swell.
Keep going, I say!
Take your public education fiasco and GTFO! Cut off Social Security and Medicare for Arizona residents. We'll figure it out. Don't want to enforce our international border? Fine. We'll do it. Go ahead and pull the military bases. We could use a few more golf courses.
Go ahead you scumsuckers in DC! Declare war on Arizona just because it decided to enforce the laws that you wrote but refused to enforce. Show the American people what political power is really all about! Go ahead, show them that the power of the "state" superceedes that of the people! Whip out that Constitution and wipe your ass with it just one more time! I double dog dare you!
Secretary of State
Not only am I not surprised but I expect this will get far worse before getting better. It is no shock to me that administration officials are comfortable with punishment for the people of AZ for something Obama officials do not agree with yet have no interest in doing much about.
Last edited by Sluggo; 06-24-2010 at 10:43 AM. Reason: Correction
- Frustrated Independent
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
"Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people.” - Penn Jillette amazingly enough, and I agree.
President
I thought obama said he was not about okaying boycotts....?
Joint Chiefs of Staff Member
I'm more worried about the government abusing this type of power than the problem with illegal drug cartels.
Why not just end the war on drugs? They could come in the taco truck and we won't need any more violence.
Administrator
So you figure that making drugs legal will solve all this? Are you high?Originally Posted by wiggidy
The big issue here is one of limitations on Federal power and the responsibilities of government v. the responsibilities of the people.
But, since you bring up the drug issue, do you not think that the drugs will be taxed? How, exactly, is the government going to collect that tax? Are they going to go to the Zeta Cartel and say, look, we'll let you sell your stuff but you have to pay taxes. Why would the Zeta's do that? They're already selling their stuff and NOT paying taxes!
Yeah, the weed growers in Mendocino will have a field day but by the time they comply with wage laws, safety laws, environmental impact assessments, legal funds and TAXES weed will be $500 and ounce while the cartels will be bringing it in by the pound for that price.
Joint Chiefs of Staff Member
You must not know how easy it is to make/grow drugs. Legal companies will make them and they will be taxed like everything else.
I may be high, but I'm not wrong.
All of this violence is pointless and illogical.
Moderator
Damn Arizona!
Now how can we get the feds out of my state!?!
This is good news. We should be using whatever means necessary to bring the police state of Arizona to its knees. Any state that refuses to accept or submit to the rightful leadership of this nation is a trator and should be dealt with as such, including using military force to bring them back into alignment with the rest of the nation. That is what we did back in the civil war when the states tried to usurp power from the rightful government. States do not have the power, authority or right to tell the federal government what to do. States are SUBORDINATE to the federal government. The federal government is the supreme law of the land, the ultimate government and the one that all other governments in this nation are subject and subordinate to. the federal government IS the UNITED states of AMERICA. Once the police state of Arizona's impertinent insubordination is dealt with then we can deal with the border incursions.
Administrator
OK, so we slap a tax of, say, $25/oz on weed. The legal companies have to pay that tax but the cartels, who are just as efficient at growing the shit, don't pay that tax.
Here's the way this works out....you end up with 2 sacks to choose from. One costs "X" and the other costs "X+$25". The weed is of equal quality and no additional effort is needed to get one sack or the other. Which do you choose?
Joint Chiefs of Staff Member
That's too extreme, just let them be their own country. Why make a war out of it?
Vice President
Good luck with that. :rolleyes:
"The spirit must be the firmer, the heart the bolder,
courage must be the greater as our might fails"
Joint Chiefs of Staff Member
Don't make the tax too high, just leave it as a normal sales tax.
There's really not a lot of bootleggers for alcohol or cigarettes (except in dry counties and they don't sell moonshine, they sell stuff you can get in the store).
I also don't see a problem with people making/growing their own. Treat it like a normal garden.
edit: The government is manufacturing these problems (and the citizens that support it).
Administrator
Dude, the law that Arizona enacted...that everybody is up in arms about....mirrors federal law. That's one.
The other thing....what the hell are you talking about:
Where in the Constitution is the part about all States being subject to the supreme authority of the Federal Government?Any state that refuses to accept or submit to the rightful leadership of this nation is a trator and should be dealt with as such, including using military force to bring them back into alignment with the rest of the nation.
Secretary of State
Not totally accurate, borderline an advocate for military dictatorship, not really inline with states rights and the federal level, absent of the truth on where the AZ state law in question came from (as in what it is close to... hint, federal law being ignored,) ignoring that the present administration has little plans to do much about border incursions and in the end void of most reality. Good luck.
- Frustrated Independent
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
"Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people.” - Penn Jillette amazingly enough, and I agree.
Administrator
The reason that alcohol and cigarettes are not massively bootlegged (actually, cigarettes ARE massively bootlegged) is because of production cost. You need lots of tobacco, drying time, assembly, packaging and distribution. If you wanted to do that for yourself it's no problem but if you want to make money on it then you have to compete with the pro's.
In the illegal drug trade, though, the pro's are the ones that have all the mechanics down. A legal operation would have to compete with established organizations. The alcohol industry didn't have that problem after prohibition as previous distillers and brewers had just converted their operations to sodas and tonics. When 1933 came around they just switched back.
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