Thread: Illegal Immigration Costs U.S. $113 Billion a Year

illegal immigrants dont cost you a thing!

How can they access anything without a US....birth certificate, driver lisc, social security number?

If someone gives them a job or pays them cash in hand...the person in the system is causing the problem. If you say in the US they can enroll in schools/hospital/access welfare money AGAIN, thats the fault of the govt and public service for creating laws or not requesting this information.

How can you get a phone turned on, electricity, gas, water, sign a lease without providing this information or passport?

People cant walk into your country and TAKE 113 billion dollars from you unless YOU hand it over to them.


Your playing right into your govt hands and you ASK that computer chips be put in your body to identify you and illegals.

You wont stop to think when YOU disagree with whatever the govt and corporations says; all they have to do is turn your chip off and like homeless people you step over everyday in the streets YOU will disappear off the system and no longer exist!

Except when you follow the link you find that most of that money is actually going to pay for the education of American citizens.
That FAIR is an extremist group that is opposed to all immigration.
And that none of the taxes that Illegal immigrants pay are counted against the cost which again is mostly the cost of educating legal American citizens.

All of this is pretty much meaningless until we demand that our federal government enforces current immigration law, protects our borders in the process, provides a meaningful solution to the issues they may have with all current laws on the subject, and finally actually intends to do something to enforce and follow through with that provided solution. States going at it on their own then being challenged by the Feds for doing so is not really doing all that much except keeping the issue in the news. Until then... until Republicans stop hiding behind a hidden never admit desire for cheap labor, Democrats hide behind political support motives and vote for me intentions, or both actually get all their collective heads out of each others asses then all this useless discussion and will result in what we have now. A complete waste of time, political back and forth game, and vote for me and keep me on the news political speach filled tell us all who is to blame for all of this grandstanding at the expense of us all. And that expense includes illegal immigrants themselves.

FFS, I wish the hill would wake up and demand talks for a real solution that each side gets something and has to give something up but who am I kidding, they are too damn good at doing nothing and pointing the finger at each other for it holding on to each sides extreme position of total punishment or total ignoring of the law.

Originally Posted by Provocative

illegal immigrants dont cost you a thing!

How can they access anything without a US....birth certificate, driver lisc, social security number?

I didn't know you needed those to get free emergency medical care. I also didn't know the US government didn't reimburse those costs.

If someone gives them a job or pays them cash in hand...the person in the system is causing the problem. If you say in the US they can enroll in schools/hospital/access welfare money AGAIN, thats the fault of the govt and public service for creating laws or not requesting this information.

How so? I suppose it is a problem with lack of enforcement and the stupidity of having our public schooling and welfare to begin with, but if illegals knowingly broke the law and deceptively/unjustly acquired these, you can't pretend that they are not responsible for it. Is fraud completely innocent nowadays?

Originally Posted by Provocative

If someone gives them a job or pays them cash in hand...the person in the system is causing the problem.

Bullshit. You can't pay 'em if the fuckers aren't there...

Originally Posted by Slon

I didn't know you needed those to get free emergency medical care. I also didn't know the US government didn't reimburse those costs.How so? I suppose it is a problem with lack of enforcement and the stupidity of having our public schooling and welfare to begin with, but if illegals knowingly broke the law and deceptively/unjustly acquired these, you can't pretend that they are not responsible for it. Is fraud completely innocent nowadays?

Lack of enforcement........who's responsibility is that the govt and law enforcement officers or the people breaking the laws! Are you saying criminals should be enforcing the law on there self!

You guys voice anger as the border crossers when you know even citizens try to get over on the govt.


Thats like saying you and a border crosser is walking down the street and a armour truck drops 2 bags you pick up 1 and he picks up 1 and you both keep the money....he is some how worst because you are legally there and he isnt!

Thats what law breakers do legal or not they milk the system...its law enforcement and govt responsibility to prevent or stop it.

IF THEY DONT..it means behind the scenes they dont intend to! Remember George Bush secretly did a border deal with Mexico! Thats why Obama is seen to be doing nothing...he's not going to tell you Bush made a binding treaty/agreement with conditions without the public knowledge or mandate!

Originally Posted by Provocative

illegal immigrants dont cost you a thing!

How can they access anything without a US....birth certificate, driver lisc, social security number?

If someone gives them a job or pays them cash in hand...the person in the system is causing the problem. If you say in the US they can enroll in schools/hospital/access welfare money AGAIN, thats the fault of the govt and public service for creating laws or not requesting this information.

How can you get a phone turned on, electricity, gas, water, sign a lease without providing this information or passport?

People cant walk into your country and TAKE 113 billion dollars from you unless YOU hand it over to them.


Your playing right into your govt hands and you ASK that computer chips be put in your body to identify you and illegals.

You wont stop to think when YOU disagree with whatever the govt and corporations says; all they have to do is turn your chip off and like homeless people you step over everyday in the streets YOU will disappear off the system and no longer exist!

How can they access anything in the US, let's try this, the same way they accessed the US in the first place. Illegally

Originally Posted by Provocative

Lack of enforcement........who's responsibility is that the govt and law enforcement officers or the people breaking the laws! Are you saying criminals should be enforcing the law on there self!

You guys voice anger as the border crossers when you know even citizens try to get over on the govt.


Thats like saying you and a border crosser is walking down the street and a armour truck drops 2 bags you pick up 1 and he picks up 1 and you both keep the money....he is some how worst because you are legally there and he isnt!

Thats what law breakers do legal or not they milk the system...its law enforcement and govt responsibility to prevent or stop it.

IF THEY DONT..it means behind the scenes they dont intend to! Remember George Bush secretly did a border deal with Mexico! Thats why Obama is seen to be doing nothing...he's not going to tell you Bush made a binding treaty/agreement with conditions without the public knowledge or mandate!

Quote: Lack of enforcement........who's responsibility is that the govt and law enforcement officers or the people breaking the laws! Are you saying criminals should be enforcing the law on there self!

You have a point, but then I read on and you mention criminals and that is the problem. Illegals are criminals and should be treated as such, try crossing the border into N Korea or Iran. Illegals should have a mandatory sentence in a jail or compound in the middle of the desert of at least 6 months for the first offense and then double that every time they are caught thereafter.

Originally Posted by goober

Except when you follow the link you find that most of that money is actually going to pay for the education of American citizens.
That FAIR is an extremist group that is opposed to all immigration.
And that none of the taxes that Illegal immigrants pay are counted against the cost which again is mostly the cost of educating legal American citizens.

If one dime of tax payer money goes to an illegal for whatever reason it's to much, unless of course you want to pay it, but I don't. And by the way how many illegals are in this country taking good American jobs. Is it 20 million or 30 million or 40 million jobs.

Originally Posted by Provocative

Lack of enforcement........who's responsibility is that the govt and law enforcement officers or the people breaking the laws! Are you saying criminals should be enforcing the law on there self!

Lack of enforcement is certainly one problem, but the people breaking the law is another. For instance, if someone murders someone and the cops fail to stop it due to incompetence/lack of enforcement, are you saying that none of the blame for the murder lies on the murderer?

You guys voice anger as the border crossers when you know even citizens try to get over on the govt.


Thats like saying you and a border crosser is walking down the street and a armour truck drops 2 bags you pick up 1 and he picks up 1 and you both keep the money....he is some how worst because you are legally there and he isnt!

In the case of welfare, the welfare is legally given to the people receiving it. If it's an illegal, then he is not only here illegally, but illegally acquires the money (through fraud).

Originally Posted by Forplay

Quote: Lack of enforcement........who's responsibility is that the govt and law enforcement officers or the people breaking the laws! Are you saying criminals should be enforcing the law on there self!

You have a point, but then I read on and you mention criminals and that is the problem. Illegals are criminals and should be treated as such, try crossing the border into N Korea or Iran. Illegals should have a mandatory sentence in a jail or compound in the middle of the desert of at least 6 months for the first offense and then double that every time they are caught thereafter.

So they can be guarenteed 3 squares a day on the tax payers dime? Fuck that.

Originally Posted by reality

So they can be guarenteed 3 squares a day on the tax payers dime? Fuck that.

My vote is load them in a nice air conditioned container complete with stewardesses. Ship them to the middle of whatever country they came from, stop, let them off, and leave.

What happens to them from there is up to the country they are citizens of.

Originally Posted by reality

So they can be guarenteed 3 squares a day on the tax payers dime? Fuck that.

Who said anything about 3 squares a day?