Thread: Deportations Up 10% Under Obama

Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

washingtonpost.com

This week we learn that in the fiscal year 2010, roughly 400,000 illegal immigrants are set to be deported, an increase of 10% over former President Bush's last year in office, and up over 25% since 2007.

It is part of what the administration sees as "trying to make the laws that are on the books actually work".

Under President Bush, thousands of illegals were rounded up at where they worked, however, this administration has focused more on auditing the employers that give illegals a place to work. Audits of illegal immigrant employers have quadrupled since Pres. Bush left office, and fines totaling over $6 million have been levied.

I personally applaud this administration for actually increasing their efforts on what is perceived by a majority of Americans as a scourge on the country, even if my personal opinion is to offer a legitimate pathway to citizenship for individuals who are here to contribute and work hard, and to melt within the melting pot that is the US.

From a political standpoint, here is yet another example of this administration acting from a moderate to center-right position even if the words by some people within the administration or within the Democratic party seem to suggest otherwise.

Seems that both parties want to alienate the large swath that is the Hispanic vote, while denying the facts on the ground that their hard work is needed in a country with fewer and fewer citizens who want to essentially be migrant workers.

The country loses over a hundred billion dollars a year because of undocumented workers. Surely there can be a compromise between spending more on law enforcement and creating a way for illegals to pitch into the system so that the country can gain the valuable revenue that is needed to afford their staying here since no matter how good law enforcement techniques prove to be, millions of illegals will remain in the US anyway.

The facts at hand show that this President is listening to the country and acting on it. He's clearly against the epidemic of illegal immigration, and since the GOP simply refuses to accept anything this President does as right or good, it'll be interesting to see if people like John McCain and others re-flip back to their original position of creating a pathway to citizenship for illegals so that the GOP may once again court a mostly conservative base of voters to add to their party.

Hmmmm.... but how can that be? Surely there is a mistake? And, focusing on employers who hire illegals? Oh my, what an unfair idea that is, eh?

So tell me again? Who is the Party who talks the talk and who is the party who walks the walk?

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

Hmmmm.... but how can that be? Surely there is a mistake? And, focusing on employers who hire illegals? Oh my, what an unfair idea that is, eh?

So tell me again? Who is the Party who talks the talk and who is the party who walks the walk?

Funny how everything is so upside-down. I wonder if the majority of liberals even know that this is happening, what with all the cheap talk that it's progressives and their ilk (like me, on this issue anyway) who are for amnesty, when indeed not even this administration seems to have any real plans for it, what with spending increases on over 420 new facilities that will hold illegals within the next few years.

Conservatives are now trapped in their fomenting belief that illegals=terrorists, despite the fact that they have a vested interest in their states (the mostly southern ones) to hire cheap migrant workers in order to bypass the feds and all their regulations and standards on pay, benefits and worker safety.

Fascinating to see where they'll go from here. I personally think George W. Bush had it mostly right on this issue, but that enforcement-wise, like every other thing he tried to enforce, it was a great big fail.

Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

Funny how everything is so upside-down. I wonder if the majority of liberals even know that this is happening, what with all the cheap talk that it's progressives and their ilk (like me, on this issue anyway) who are for amnesty, when indeed not even this administration seems to have any real plans for it, what with spending increases on over 420 new facilities that will hold illegals within the next few years.

Conservatives are now trapped in their fomenting belief that illegals=terrorists, despite the fact that they have a vested interest in their states (the mostly southern ones) to hire cheap migrant workers in order to bypass the feds and all their regulations and standards on pay, benefits and worker safety.

Fascinating to see where they'll go from here. I personally think George W. Bush had it mostly right on this issue, but that enforcement-wise, like every other thing he tried to enforce, it was a great big fail.

I believe you are more right then you think. I have an idea that Obama is allowing the Republicans to paint themselves into a very narrow corner, and he is not going to let them get out easily.

My prediction is that there will be at least one or two Dean Screams in the 2010 campaign, and it will result in Republicans losing seats. I predict that Obama will win in a landslide in 2012.

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

I believe you are more right then you think. I have an idea that Obama is allowing the Republicans to paint themselves into a very narrow corner, and he is not going to let them get out easily.

My prediction is that there will be at least one or two Dean Screams in the 2010 campaign, and it will result in Republicans losing seats. I predict that Obama will win in a landslide in 2012.

He is painting them into a corner. He's got the fortunate good luck of being the first President who gets to say "I got health care for everyone", even if we haggle over the details.

But on this issue, he'll be able to say he's deported more illegals than the previous occupants of the White House, which undercuts the GOP terribly.

As for 2010, I'm still predicting a modest loss for the Dems, simply because of historical precedent on midterm elections. But it's the Teabaggers that will in essence cost the GOP the House because they can't seem to get moderates on their side.

I hate to piss in the Wheaties of this liberal circle-jerk, but the fact that deportations are up 10% means little without knowing what percentage of change has taken place with regards to illegals coming across the border. If deportations are up 10%, but 15% more illegals are getting into the country, then Obama is a failure...

No surprise to me, Bush didn't do a damn thing concerning illegal immigration.
(except ignore it)

Enforcing laws against hiring illegals is a step in the right direction. Unfortunately the "penalties" for breaking that law are so light that the companies who do so will just pay the fine and keep hiring. All attempts to make the penalties real over the last ten years have been killed in congress no matter which party is in the majority.

Originally Posted by Steve

I hate to piss in the Wheaties of this liberal circle-jerk, but the fact that deportations are up 10% means little without knowing what percentage of change has taken place with regards to illegals coming across the border. If deportations are up 10%, but 15% more illegals are getting into the country, then Obama is a failure...

Increasing border security is a time and money wasting exercise that benefits nobody but politicians and people who wish they could help shoot the illegals as they cross (not that we know anybody like that).
As long as illegals can find jobs they will get over the border. The day the jobs go away so does the illegal immigration problem.

lol.. how come anything BADF that happens today is becaue bush hasd people entreched in differant parts of governmenta nd Oabma is weeding them out, but when numbers show something good then Obama has done a great job..

I.E. Bad = Bush fault, Good = Bush sucked Obama did this...

Originally Posted by timj219

Increasing border security is a time and money wasting exercise that benefits nobody but politicians and people who wish they could help shoot the illegals as they cross (not that we know anybody like that).
As long as illegals can find jobs they will get over the border. The day the jobs go away so does the illegal immigration problem.

Well lets see how close you come to solving the problem by cracking down on employers. Small business and home owners hire illegals every day for gardening, small shops, motel maids, house keepers, care givers etc etc etc. Now take all the recourses chasing employers that your never going to clean out and put them on the border. Problem solved.

All this going after employers is BS. Close the border, no more illegals to hire. Simple

All this crap you can't close the border is bunk. Try crosing into N Korea or Iran and tell me you can't close the border. Isreal built a fence, problem solved, remember the Berlin wall, problem solved. There are many countries as an illegal you would not dare cross into their country.

Obama wants a open border with Mexico, or at the very least a border with holes in it so the migration continues which of course equals votes.

So in essence, Obama makes a better conservative than a republican president.

Originally Posted by Forplay

Well lets see how close you come to solving the problem by cracking down on employers. Small business and home owners hire illegals every day for gardening, small shops, motel maids, house keepers, care givers etc etc etc. Now take all the recourses chasing employers that your never going to clean out and put them on the border. Problem solved.

All this going after employers is BS. Close the border, no more illegals to hire. Simple

All this crap you can't close the border is bunk. Try crosing into N Korea or Iran and tell me you can't close the border. Isreal built a fence, problem solved, remember the Berlin wall, problem solved. There are many countries as an illegal you would not dare cross into their country.

Obama wants a open border with Mexico, or at the very least a border with holes in it so the migration continues which of course equals votes.

There is no level of border enforcement in a free country that will stop the illegals. Just like there is no level of border enforcement in a free country that will stop drugs. You are not alone in being willing to turn our country in to north korea or east germany in an attempt to secure the borders but I don't think that's the way to go.
Just like with drugs, the only way to stop it is to take away the money.

Originally Posted by Forplay

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All this crap you can't close the border is bunk. Try crosing into N Korea or Iran and tell me you can't close the border. Isreal built a fence, problem solved, remember the Berlin wall, problem solved. There are many countries as an illegal you would not dare cross into their country. ...

Remember, most of those borders you just mentioned were built to keep people in, not to keep people out. That is a very different problem.

I have stood at, on, and both sides of the Iron Curtain. This is not a solution that would be acceptable to most Americans once they realized the cost and the ineffectiveness of it.