Thread: border securty, aye

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

The real solution is to create an environment where the desire to come to the US is minimal. We don't have problems with 12 million Canadians coming here. Why not? Why do they choose to stay on that frozen tundra they call Oh Canada?

In other words, NAFTA. We have to make NAFTA work the way it was intended to work. It would take time, and the politics get in the way, but that is the end solution. The great thing about making the NAFTA solution work is that for many of the 12 million here illegally now many of them would self-deport if they could earn a modest and improving living back home.

Making NAFTA actually work for North America work would be a whole lot cheaper than building a wall and manning it year after year.

Also, with a decent economy in Mexico the drug trade would die down.

No the real solution is to close the border, but you far left liberals want an open border and do your best to convince the rest of us that your solution is a good solution but in reality it is BS as you really want to maintain an open border.

Originally Posted by Forplay

No the real solution is to close the border, but you far left liberals want an open border and do your best to convince the rest of us that your solution is a good solution but in reality it is BS as you really want to maintain an open border.

Yes, I would like a more or less open border, as we have had for100 years with Canada. That solution is effective, cordial, and workable.

Is there a problem you see with the US-Canadian border? If we could do that with Mexico sometime in the next 25 years, would that be a bad thing?

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

OK. then produce a plan that works. Talk is great, but you come up with a plan that will work. You believe the people who have been doing this for 200 years aren't anywhere near as smart you are, so go ahead. Put out a plan that is workable and will succeed. A plan that the US Border Patrol hasn't already tried.

Just saying liberals want an open border is not a plan. Heck, its not even a truth.

Get real, I've given a plan yet you far left liberals demonize any plan that would close the border. Why, because you want to maintain an open border. Look at every liberal rebuttal at closing the border, it can't be done or it cost to much and how are you going to fund it. All BS, you liberals continue to disguise the truth that you want an open border. It is so fucking obvious, give it up.

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

Yes, I would like a more or less open border, as we have had for100 years with Canada. That solution is effective, cordial, and workable.

Is there a problem you see with the US-Canadian border? If we could do that with Mexico sometime in the next 25 years, would that be a bad thing?

There you go, you want an open border, I rest my case. At least you admit you want an open border. The rest of you far left liberals want to play BS with threads like this to make people think you far left liberal want an solution but in reality you want an open border. But I do not want an open border and I'm honest about it. And your at least the first person to be honest that you want an open border. But I say close the border. Period.

Originally Posted by Forplay

There you go, you want an open border, I rest my case. At least you admit you want an open border. The rest of you far left liberals want to play BS with threads like this to make people think you far left liberal want an solution but in reality you want an open border. But I do not want an open border and I'm honest about it. And your at least the first person to be honest that you want an open border. But I say close the border. Period.

Wait a minute. Are you opposed to how we deal with the Canadian border, which is a more or less open border? Is that border a problem in your mind?

If we could do the same with Mexico in 25 years or so, would you be against it?

If so, why?

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

The real solution is to create an environment where the desire to come to the US is minimal. We don't have problems with 12 million Canadians coming here. Why not? Why do they choose to stay on that frozen tundra they call Oh Canada?

In other words, NAFTA. We have to make NAFTA work the way it was intended to work. It would take time, and the politics get in the way, but that is the end solution. The great thing about making the NAFTA solution work is that for many of the 12 million here illegally now many of them would self-deport if they could earn a modest and improving living back home.

Making NAFTA actually work for North America work would be a whole lot cheaper than building a wall and manning it year after year.

Wait.. are you proposing that we actually work on correcting the root cause of the problem? Shut the front door! That makes too much sense.

Also, with a decent economy in Mexico the drug trade would die down.

Legalizing drugs in this country would also help in that regard. This also makes too much sense.

Originally Posted by Forplay

Of course you would, your a far left liberal that wants and open border.

Again, of course you would think that because your a far left liberal and want a open border.

Of course you would that's because your a far left liberal and want an open border.

Of course you would say that because your a far left liberal and want a open border. Your entire interest is an open border and all you want to do bash any plan that would close the border. It's not hard to understand what you liberals want, yet you try and disguise this fact by engaging in a thread like this. What a crock of shit.

Originally Posted by Forplay

No the real solution is to close the border, but you far left liberals want an open border and do your best to convince the rest of us that your solution is a good solution but in reality it is BS as you really want to maintain an open border.

Originally Posted by Forplay

Get real, I've given a plan yet you far left liberals demonize any plan that would close the border. Why, because you want to maintain an open border. Look at every liberal rebuttal at closing the border, it can't be done or it cost to much and how are you going to fund it. All BS, you liberals continue to disguise the truth that you want an open border. It is so fucking obvious, give it up.

Let me guess.. you think all of the "far left liberals" want an open border, right? lol.. you're like a broken record.

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Yeah, thanks for the riveting conversation. Always stimulating.

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

hail Blue Doggy,

i thought the Berlin Wall was also meant to keep folks out, also. it kept folks in, and kept folks out...though no doubt most folks wanted probably wanted to get out.

i really don't have meself a personal problem with this wall, though...i be callin' it the Berlin Wall because thats what it really reminds me of. it also reminds me a bit 'o the North Korean border, however, if these terms seem somehow evil and sinister to ye, we can call it the "Freedom Wall", or the "Liberty Wall".

i also wanted to try'n get a fix on the costs 'o all this, and whar the monies shall come from.

- MeadHallPirate

Fair enough then. I guess we just don't see walls in the same manner. I have a wooden privacy fence around my house. To keep folks out that I don 't want running through my yard. And the neighbors dog who had a habit of dropping his loads in my yard instead of his owner's yard.

On paying for the wall, well, how far would what taxpayers already spend towards illegals, go towards builiding the fence? I mean, the illegals are already costing us, although they be hidden costs. Would any savings due to a fence be worth the time and treasure over the long haul? Seems to me the fence would actually pay for itself with time.

But again what worries me is after the fence was built, any effort to go after employers would be stopped, BECAUSE we no longer need to do so due to the existence of a fence. I have no doubt this is how this would play out since neither party seems to want to stop the illegal flow, each with their own reasons.

But I still say the most effective means of stopping the flow would be to go after the employers hard and fast. With teeth in the sanctions. But the Pubs are afraid they might hurt their sacred business lobby, and that business would have to pay more than slave labor wages. I am suprised that the Cons have not added a new argument for using illegal labor. That if we don't allow business to use that labor, those jobs too would go to China.

Originally Posted by Forplay

Of course you would, your a far left liberal that wants and open border.





Again, of course you would think that because your a far left liberal and want a open border.



Of course you would that's because your a far left liberal and want an open border.



Of course you would say that because your a far left liberal and want a open border. Your entire interest is an open border and all you want to do bash any plan that would close the border. It's not hard to understand what you liberals want, yet you try and disguise this fact by engaging in a thread like this. What a crock of shit.

No action short of SLAUGHTER can stop those seeking to improve or sustain life for themselves and their families. The far right of course would be happy to employ such means BUYING the passage of what ever law necessary to justify their actions.

INSTEAD considering the employable level of skills involved currently a good first step to would be to offer green cards to all who come to our shores BUT make sure they are TAXED as is are rest of AMERICAN labor.

The far right right has reached the zenith of PRETENTIOUSNESS and has nowhere to go but down..

Originally Posted by Forplay

There you go, you want an open border, I rest my case. At least you admit you want an open border. The rest of you far left liberals want to play BS with threads like this to make people think you far left liberal want an solution but in reality you want an open border. But I do not want an open border and I'm honest about it. And your at least the first person to be honest that you want an open border. But I say close the border. Period.

I don't understand why some Libs want an open border with Mexico. We know what it yields. It hurts the working American. Well it doesn't seem the modern Liberal cares anymore about our working folks than those dastardly Pubs.

When did the Dem Party STOP being the party of the common man? Don't look like the common man has any representation in D.C, IF he ever did. He is today even more of a pawn to be used. Looks like I gotta find myself another party, that does not exist today. The party of the common man is GONE.

Originally Posted by Forplay

There you go, you want an open border, I rest my case. At least you admit you want an open border. The rest of you far left liberals want to play BS with threads like this to make people think you far left liberal want an solution but in reality you want an open border. But I do not want an open border and I'm honest about it. And your at least the first person to be honest that you want an open border. But I say close the border. Period.

ahoy Forplay,

matey, imma not going to say that yer a discredit to conservatives, because this thread makes clear yer not of their ilk.

alone, ye persist in makin' these childish and profanity laced posts, refusin' to answer the OP. ye offer up yer solution, yet adamantly refuse to provide figures fer the cost 'o yer solution.

ye know what embarssed folks do when one 'o thar own makes a moronic arguement? they shut thar pie hole...they don't wanna humiliate thar own, so they just raise thar sails, lift anchor, and withdraw from the debate. they watch silently as the hot mess that is Forplay founders about.

they don't come to support yer arguement.

they don't come to yer defense.

they just observe ye in discomfort.

me OP be a reasonable thread that sought out real answers to this whole "first clost the border" mantra that ye chant. well, ye don't get to fuckin' use that moronic line any longer, since when cornered, ye can't even profer up a solution. all ye do is get red faced and lash out at anyone who has the temerity to ask ye courteous questions as to how ye would implement such a plan.

debate doesn't interest ye, ye just want to insult others.

i encourage ye to continue postin', however, as yer an instructive example 'o a fascinatin' species that exists in legion across our great land; the obtuse, foul mouthed idealogue who does nothin' but complain, yet doesn't have the intellectual curiosity to follow thar arguements to thar conclusion.

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

On paying for the wall, well, how far would what taxpayers already spend towards illegals, go towards builiding the fence? I mean, the illegals are already costing us, although they be hidden costs. Would any savings due to a fence be worth the time and treasure over the long haul? Seems to me the fence would actually pay for itself with time.

hail Blue Doggy,

*raises his index finger*

first off, matey, imma not opposed to a wall, or a fence, or what have ye. i be askin' though what such a thing would cost, and also how much it would cost to militarize the entire 2000 foot border.

secondly, and i can't emphasize this enough...the millions 'o illigal immigrants that are in this country and costin' us monies, will remain in this country. this wall doesn't suddenly eject these folk from our lands, so they will continue to cost us the same amount 'o monies that they've been costin' us all along.

therefore, the construction 'o this wall and these military personel and the equipment that'll be deployed along this wall are now additional and new costs. thats why i be askin' how much this shall cost and how the revenue will be raised fer this project.

aye?

- MeadHallPirate

The issue of a closed or open border is money. The right says it can be paid for, with lost monies from immigration. The left now says fix NAFTA which is one reason for lost jobs and revenues in the US.

The reality is it can be done cheaper.

From the arguments posted, if I never knew of politics, I would think cons are democrats and libs are republican.