Thread: border securty, aye

Darn, I almost made my point, but not quite.

I am not running down anyone when I say the military isn't trained for the job. I want my military sneaking up on targets and killing them! Thats their job, I have no desire to try to equip them with a flip-switch and each morning we flip the switch to soldier or cop, depending on the order of the day. These guys are soldiers. I want them to be soldiers.

We already have Border Patrol agents. These guys are good, highly trained, and with a long back ground of success. Why not give them some money so they can hire some more guards, instead of cutting their budget?

This idea that we have to "cut spending" is giving us stupid consequences. "Despite long hours, harsh weather conditions and budget cuts that make their jobs more difficult, members of the U.S. Border Patrol are happy to protect the border. "
JMS Reports - Border Patrol overcomes budget obstacles

If you really want to do something to help, call your Congress critter and tell them to get off this budget cutting nonsense and give the US Border Patrol the money they need.

Originally Posted by michael h

A wall still requires troops.

Yeah but a 2.5 million volt electric fence doesn't it.

Originally Posted by buck84

Yeah but a 2.5 million volt electric fence doesn't it.

How about serious solutions instead of derailing discussions with solutions that are ridiculous. This is America. This is not the USSR.

btw, short circuiting a 2.5 million volt electric fence is not all that big a deal. Spectacular, yes, but not something requiring technical expertise.

Originally Posted by buck84

Yeah but a 2.5 million volt electric fence doesn't it.

lmao, Buck that's mad harsh.

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

I am not running down anyone when I say the military isn't trained for the job.

I did think you were running them down. Nothing you said gave that impression.

I do agree that they're not trained for the job and I think that they'd have to be.

Even if the training were minimal, in order to prepare them for a minimal role in border security, it would have to be made crystal clear that they're on that border in a particular capacity and that isn't to fight a war on Mexicans.

Honestly, I don't even think that Mexicans would try running the border in the numbers they currently do if it were clear to them that it was no longer a block of Swiss cheese with holes, literally, miles wide.

Regardless, this whole line of discussion is mental masturbation because we both know that the Posse Comitatus Act isn't going to be amended, nor is our government going to take the actions necessary to allow an end-run around it.

If you really want to do something to help, call your Congress critter and tell them to get off this budget cutting nonsense and give the US Border Patrol the money they need.

Only if they take that money from the Welfare budget and don't fuck with the economy by punishing our corporate job providers.


































(I kid.)

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

How about serious solutions instead of derailing discussions with solutions that are ridiculous. This is America. This is not the USSR.

btw, short circuiting a 2.5 million volt electric fence is not all that big a deal. Spectacular, yes, but not something requiring technical expertise.

Well derailing the conversation is not my intention. A little comic relief yes probably guilty of that. However, the whole thing is not rocket science. People make the argument all day long about how we are all immigrants and yes that is true, but since the good old days when hundreds of thousands set sail on the ocean blue, we have developed into a country of laws since then. Immigration has associated laws now. So either we enforce them or repeal them. What good are having laws if you do not intend to enforce them. The migrants coming across the border are only seen as new voters and thats the only reason that are politicians don't want to shut if off. It is not being stopped because our "leaders" do not want it to stop. It really is that simple. Don't believe me? Go hop across the fence and see how long it takes before your eye to eye with federalis. If they can do it so can we.

Originally Posted by buck84

Well derailing the conversation is not my intention. A little comic relief yes probably guilty of that. However, the whole thing is not rocket science. People make the argument all day long about how we are all immigrants and yes that is true, but since the good old days when hundreds of thousands set sail on the ocean blue, we have developed into a country of laws since then. Immigration has associated laws now. So either we enforce them or repeal them. What good are having laws if you do not intend to enforce them. The migrants coming across the border are only seen as new voters and thats the only reason that are politicians don't want to shut if off. It is not being stopped because our "leaders" do not want it to stop. It really is that simple. Don't believe me? Go hop across the fence and see how long it takes before your eye to eye with federalis. If they can do it so can we.

Agreed, they have no desire, both parties have interests in keeping the door open.

Originally Posted by michael h

Agreed, they have no desire, both parties have interests in keeping the door open.

Exactly, I just get tired of individuals saying "well you're a rightist" or "you're a right winger" or what ever for saying enforce the damn law thats currently in place. Thats it. That simple. What really pisses me off is the arrogance of people that have broken the immigration laws, lined up in the streets protesting! What the hell is that about? If anyone was once an immigrant and are now a legalized citizen, and they want to protest, I'm fine with that. Go ahead, you, in my mind, have earned your right to protest. When you are a U.S. citizen, within the borders of the U.S., you're speech is protected and you are allowed to protest all you want. You don't get U.S. citizen rights just because you crossed a river, that makes you a trespasser.

Originally Posted by buck84

Exactly, I just get tired of individuals saying "well you're a rightist" or "you're a right winger" or what ever for saying enforce the damn law thats currently in place. Thats it. That simple. What really pisses me off is the arrogance of people that have broken the immigration laws, lined up in the streets protesting! What the hell is that about? If anyone was once an immigrant and are now a legalized citizen, and they want to protest, I'm fine with that. Go ahead, you, in my mind, have earned your right to protest. When you are a U.S. citizen, within the borders of the U.S., you're speech is protected and you are allowed to protest all you want. You don't get U.S. citizen rights just because you crossed a river, that makes you a trespasser.

Actually, the US Constitution is pretty specific on that. The word citizen is not used. Its about the rights of people, not the rights of citizens,

I understand your sentiment, but the Constitution is the law of the land; we abide by it.

Originally Posted by soot

In my opinion?

Absolutely.

Please contact Senator Reid and Representative Pelosi for me and tell them I'm gonna need to get the Democratic Party on board with our amendment process.

Be sure to tell them that we'd like to amend the PCA in order to allow federal military troops to conduct law enforcement activities on U.S. territory.

Wait, wait. Did you say "simply" amend?

Obviously I meant simply in regard to being a far more direct way to address PCA than your roundabout decommissioning, recommissioning, etc. way to legalize troops patrolling the border and not that the process would be any more likely. Unfortunately our politicians are far more worried about keeping their job than doing it and protecting our borders. I doubt we'll ever seriously address our illegal immigration problem as federal politicians are unwilling to be seen as disenfranchising the Hispanic vote.

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

Actually, the US Constitution is pretty specific on that. The word citizen is not used. Its about the rights of people, not the rights of citizens,

I understand your sentiment, but the Constitution is the law of the land; we abide by it.

I'll go along with that. With that being said all immigration laws and anything else associated with immigration to the U.S. needs to be repealed. Let's not stop there though lets see what other laws can be tossed out. My point is laws are only good if they are enforced other than that they are just words on a piece of paper and mean nothing and if they mean nothing no point in having them.

Originally Posted by buck84

I'll go along with that. With that being said all immigration laws and anything else associated with immigration to the U.S. needs to be repealed. Let's not stop there though lets see what other laws can be tossed out. My point is laws are only good if they are enforced other than that they are just words on a piece of paper and mean nothing and if they mean nothing no point in having them.

There are many ways to enforce laws. Standing there with a stick is probably the worst way.

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

There are many ways to enforce laws. Standing there with a stick is probably the worst way.

ahoy Dick Martin,

i have to be honest, and i hate to disagree matey, but i think it be reasonable to say that a 2000 mile state 'o the art fence that is additionally guarded by our mateys in green....armed with thar fearsome weaponry, is gonna really stem the tide 'o immigrants crossin' into our land illegally.

i just be very concerned 'bout the cost, fer as many, many on our forums are constantly remindin' me, we're broke, bankrupt as a nation.

- MeadHallPirate