Thread: Umm DNC chairman think ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION is not a CRIME??

Many people do not consider most misdemeanors as crimes. Littering, speeding, disorderly conduct, petty theft, trespassing, or shop lifting are ll misdemeanors and generally not considered in the same way as felony crimes. Illegally entering the US is a misdemeanor, not a felony crime.

Or, are you suggesting prison time for trespassing, speeding, and shop lifting?

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

Many people do not consider most misdemeanors as crimes. Littering, speeding, disorderly conduct, petty theft, trespassing, or shop lifting are ll misdemeanors and generally not considered in the same way as felony crimes. Illegally entering the US is a misdemeanor, not a felony crime.

What people "consider" doesn't matter. Some people, at their wits' end to feed their families, might not consider bank robbery a crime.

It doesn't matter what you think should be a crime...

Or, are you suggesting prison time for trespassing, speeding, and shop lifting?

I don't want illegal scumbag aliens put in prison. I want them deported...

It's hard for me to accept the idea that illegal immigration should not be considered a crime. There should be real meaning to the term illegal immigration.

I think the notion that illegal immigration is not "really" a crime is behind the use of the PC terms "undocumented workers" and "undocumented immigrants." It is also behind the extremely annoying practice by many journalists to leave out the word "illegal" when reporting on the illegal immigration issue. We constantly see anti-illegal immigration people and groups lebeled in the media as being "anti-immigration." These journalists and politicians who do this know very well what they are doing. It's dishonest.

The vast majority of people who believe that we have a problem with illegal immigration, myself included, have no problem whatsoever with legal immigration. Most of us ae descendents of legal immigrants to this country.

Bottom line: Illegal immigration is just that--Illegal. It should be considered a crime to be an "undocumented immigrant." Amnesty isn't the answer. A guest worker program might be. But before we can find a workable policy, we have to have better border enforcement.

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

Many people do not consider most misdemeanors as crimes. Littering, speeding, disorderly conduct, petty theft, trespassing, or shop lifting are ll misdemeanors and generally not considered in the same way as felony crimes. Illegally entering the US is a misdemeanor, not a felony crime.

Or, are you suggesting prison time for trespassing, speeding, and shop lifting?

In Texas, theft (petty" or not) can legally result in a death penalty of sorts handed out out by the intended victim, so don't be so quick to discount "petty" crimes.

DOH! Bet she wish she had that one back.

Originally Posted by CSA

Umm, is is a crime a federal crime actually.. Its funny though that it now shows democrats actually believe ILLEGAL immigration is not CRIMINAL..

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(CNSNews.com) – Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D.-Fla.), chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee, denounced Republicans last week for believing illegal immigration “should in fact be a crime.”

DNC Chair: Republicans Believe Illegal Immigration 'Should be a Crime' | CNSnews.com

Btw if you ware gonna fight about context watch this video..

YouTube - ‪New DNC Chair Faults GOP for Wanting Illegal Immigration to be a Crime‬‏

She's correct...being an illegal immigrant is not a criminal act. Obviously many argue it should be criminalised, but it's currently not a criminal act.

What is a crime is entry without inspection (EWI) or entry by fraud, which are criminal acts under 8 U.S.C. § 1325, Improper entry by alien.

United States Code: Title 8,1325. Improper entry by alien | LII / Legal Information Institute

In the case of entry by deceit, other fraud and misrepresentation related criminal statutes can also be violated depending on the nature of the deceit, e.g., statutes relating to false representations to officials, misuse and/or tampering with passports, forged official documents, etc.

Merely being present without authorisation, however, is not a criminal act. People can even be unlawfully present without having committed a crime. For example, if a person came into the country legally with inspection in proper form and procedure and merely overstays the visa's time limits or otherwise falls out of the permitted status (like possessing a student visa and finishing or quitting school), they have not violated any criminal statutes by remaining. They are merely removable--but not subject to prosecution--because they are no longer authorised to be in the US. That is a civil action, and 'penalties' that may or may not apply given the length of overstay, are civil in nature like certain bans on getting future visas.

Originally Posted by O'Sullivan Bere

She's correct...being an illegal immigrant is not a criminal act. Obviously many argue it should be criminalised, but it's currently not a criminal act.

What is a crime is entry without inspection (EWI) or entry by fraud, which are criminal acts under 8 U.S.C. § 1325, Improper entry by alien.

United States Code: Title 8,1325. Improper entry by alien | LII / Legal Information Institute

In the case of entry by deceit, other fraud and misrepresentation related criminal statutes can also be violated depending on the nature of the deceit, e.g., statutes relating to false representations to officials, misuse and/or tampering with passports, forged official documents, etc.

Merely being present without authorisation, however, is not a criminal act. People can even be unlawfully present without having committed a crime. For example, if a person came into the country legally with inspection in proper form and procedure and merely overstays the visa's time limits or otherwise falls out of the permitted status (like possessing a student visa and finishing or quitting school), they have not violated any criminal statutes by remaining. They are merely removable--but not subject to prosecution--because they are no longer authorised to be in the US. That is a civil action, and 'penalties' that may or may not apply given the length of overstay, are civil in nature like certain bans on getting future visas.

I think that the point is that most of the illegal immigration is due to criminal acts. There is a difference between coming to the US legally and infiltrating the US as you pointed out yourself.

Originally Posted by fishjoel

I think that the point is that most of the illegal immigration is due to criminal acts. There is a difference between coming to the US legally and infiltrating the US as you pointed out yourself.

I wish that was the point, but it's not. It's a 'gotcha' game that's actually wrong and she's correct . . .

Originally Posted by CSA

Umm, is is a crime a federal crime actually.. Its funny though that it now shows democrats actually believe ILLEGAL immigration is not CRIMINAL..

and with the attempt to make it a Democratic thing rather than her own statement, which was correct anyway. As to that statute, IIRC, the Dems actually tried to make EWI a felony from its current misdemeanor level and the GOP blocked it, so to me, it's just the usual stuff that doesn't address the issue and rather falls into partisan stuff that actually doesn't solve the problem.

CSA is likely just mistaken, so I'm not trying to break his balls (not my intent CSA , just trying to correct the point academically). But to me, the issue should be more substantive, such as what honestly should be done to rectify this problem and where party ping pong stuff should be irrelevant to it given there has been IMO too much of that and not enough substantive and honest discussion by politicians to settle the issue.

Take her statement in the video clip for example...there are already tens of millions of them here and her statements about the practicality of just arresting and deporting everyone. Are we willing and able to deport every person here beyond the usual cheap talk? I haven't seen that, and the GOP on the federal level can't talk about it sincerely as they have a worse track record of enforcement on the federal level.

As we speak, and being a soccer fan, I'm watching the Mexico v New Zealand friendly soccer match in Denver, CO on Univision, one of many Spanish cable channels in the US.

Mexico vs Nueva Zelanda | Partidos en Vivo GRATIS de la Selección Mexicana

The second half is starting right now. Just listen and review the crowd there for all the presumably 90% illegal Mexicans in the Broncos' stadium. It's loud and nearly sold out with over 50,000 or so there, and that's just for a non-tournament friendly match on a Wednesday night not along the border regions against a team that doesn't draw out the really big crowds like another Latin American nation and/or a powerhouse national team, and that's certainly not including anywhere near all the Mexicans never mind others in that area who aren't there right now, never mind the nation itself. That's the tip of the iceberg of who is already here. It will be over by the time most read this post, but you can see for yourself.

i hate to say it, but mexico's pretty good.

way better than new zealand, at least.

Originally Posted by bg85

i hate to say it, but mexico's pretty good.

Indeed they are. If the Mexican squads they produce were just a bit bigger in size they'd really be a global powerhouse, although they are one of the most qualifying teams for the World Cup. NZ was also in the last WC and acquitted themselves well, and Mexico is crushing them right now 3-0 in the second half. They're skilful, scrappy players, though.

Originally Posted by CSA

Umm, is is a crime a federal crime actually.. Its funny though that it now shows democrats actually believe ILLEGAL immigration is not CRIMINAL..
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(CNSNews.com) – Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D.-Fla.), chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee, denounced Republicans last week for believing illegal immigration “should in fact be a crime.”

OK It's a Crime !

In Texas almost 4 of every 10 inhabitants are hispanics (tied with California.)

Arizona is third for whatever incredible reason and they're "Hysterical" over there.

Uncontrolled immigration is a serious problem but the biggest of all that seems to escape the focus is the fact it is almost impossible to buy a product made in the U.S.A. Hispanics are not taking our jobs ! It is the wholesale departure of our manufacturing base equipment and all overseas for cheap labor. As Barnum said there is a sucker born every minuter AND TWO to Take Him ! Wake Up ! Giver 'em all green cards and at least get some taxes collected !

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

Many people do not consider most misdemeanors as crimes. Littering, speeding, disorderly conduct, petty theft, trespassing, or shop lifting are ll misdemeanors and generally not considered in the same way as felony crimes. Illegally entering the US is a misdemeanor, not a felony crime.

Or, are you suggesting prison time for trespassing, speeding, and shop lifting?

Misdemeanors can send you to jail for several months in many states. They are crimes.

Originally Posted by O'Sullivan Bere

I wish that was the point, but it's not. It's a 'gotcha' game that's actually wrong and she's correct . . .

and with the attempt to make it a Democratic thing rather than her own statement, which was correct anyway. As to that statute, IIRC, the Dems actually tried to make EWI a felony from its current misdemeanor level and the GOP blocked it, so to me, it's just the usual stuff that doesn't address the issue and rather falls into partisan stuff that actually doesn't solve the problem.

CSA is likely just mistaken, so I'm not trying to break his balls (not my intent CSA , just trying to correct the point academically). But to me, the issue should be more substantive, such as what honestly should be done to rectify this problem and where party ping pong stuff should be irrelevant to it given there has been IMO too much of that and not enough substantive and honest discussion by politicians to settle the issue.

Take her statement in the video clip for example...there are already tens of millions of them here and her statements about the practicality of just arresting and deporting everyone. Are we willing and able to deport every person here beyond the usual cheap talk? I haven't seen that, and the GOP on the federal level can't talk about it sincerely as they have a worse track record of enforcement on the federal level.

As we speak, and being a soccer fan, I'm watching the Mexico v New Zealand friendly soccer match in Denver, CO on Univision, one of many Spanish cable channels in the US.

Mexico vs Nueva Zelanda | Partidos en Vivo GRATIS de la Selección Mexicana

The second half is starting right now. Just listen and review the crowd there for all the presumably 90% illegal Mexicans in the Broncos' stadium. It's loud and nearly sold out with over 50,000 or so there, and that's just for a non-tournament friendly match on a Wednesday night not along the border regions against a team that doesn't draw out the really big crowds like another Latin American nation and/or a powerhouse national team, and that's certainly not including anywhere near all the Mexicans never mind others in that area who aren't there right now, never mind the nation itself. That's the tip of the iceberg of who is already here. It will be over by the time most read this post, but you can see for yourself.

ahoy oh mighty OSB!

thanks fer the explanation, matey. i thought Mrs. Schultz had erred, but imma glad ye laid out them facts fer me. when i read about it on these sights, fer some reason i had a different impression, aye!

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'preciate yer scholarly facts on the matter, matey.

*salutes*

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