Thread: how come them folks in Arizona don't care?

Don't sell Arizona short, they have done more with their State government than Texas, New Mexico, (illegal friendly), and California combined. My question is where is the help from the Midwest, South and Northeast United States on illegal immigration?

These areas do not understand the threat of illegal immigration. During the recent flooding in the Northeast, I noticed the news reports seemed to focus on Mexicans in the Northeast. When you hear that broken English with a Mexican accent, people in the Southwest immediately suspect an illegal. Apparently, the Northeast has not figure it out - wake up! You are being invaded!

Originally Posted by goober

It's like that Texas law that makes it a crime to hire an illegal alien, unless you need something done for cheap....

Goober, can you explain how an employer is to know who is or not legal? Look at our security, you can not profile, state police can not ask for legal papers, government will not close the border. So first tell my why it is the employer's responsibility to investigate a potential employee's immigration status, when all our laws prohibit it. Arizona tried to clamp down on illegals and got stopped by the feds.

Next please explain what procedure is the employer supposed to do to document that anyone and everyone is legal or illegal.

Immigration is a federal issue to enforce to my knowledge, states are trying to do the feds job that it refuses to do, and they shot down. The feds are not deporting anyone except the hardest of documented criminal illegals.

The feds do nothing but like many on this board blame the employers and give the government a pass and when a state wants to do the governments job they bitch about the state. Yet they all bitch about the employer. Why is that, they are the least qualified and would have to be breaking laws to ask or require documentation if there is such a thing. Why not put a federal agent in charge of screening everyone before they can go on an employers payroll. Like I just got hired but before I can go to work you (federal agent) have to prove I'm a US Citizen. I like that idea, but the government is bad at doing anything, they would screw it up with more waste and fraud.

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy Fishjoel,

'tis probably because the #1 employer in the entire state, Walmart, likes to hire them illegal immigrants. 'tis hard to really drum up support fer policy that's anti-business in nature.

how about the #2 employer in Arizona, then, which be Banner Health? well....



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i figure them contributions fer this fence are goin' to be hard to come up with, since they be job killin', anti business kinda laws.

*agrees with himself*

- MeadHallPirate

I asked this of Goober but I'll ask you the same:

Pirate, can you explain how an employer is to know who is or not legal? Look at our security, you can not profile, state police can not ask for legal papers, government will not close the border. So first tell my why it is the employer's responsibility to investigate a potential employee's immigration status, when all our laws prohibit it. Arizona tried to clamp down on illegals and got stopped by the feds.

Next please explain what procedure is the employer supposed to do to document that anyone and everyone is legal or illegal.
Immigration is a federal issue to enforce to my knowledge, states are trying to do the feds job that it refuses to do, and they shot down. The feds are not deporting anyone except the hardest of documented criminal illegals.

The feds do nothing but like many on this board blame the employers and give the government a pass and when a state wants to do the governments job they bitch about the state. Yet they all bitch about the employer. Why is that, they are the least qualified and would have to be breaking laws to ask or require documentation if there is such a thing. Why not put a federal agent in charge of screening everyone before they can go on an employers payroll. Like I just got hired but before I can go to work you (federal agent) have to prove I'm a US Citizen. I like that idea, but the government is bad at doing anything, they would screw it up with more waste and fraud.

ahoy Forplay,

Originally Posted by Forplay

I asked this of Goober but I'll ask you the same:

Pirate, can you explain how an employer is to know who is or not legal?]

it seems the best way to do this would be to institute E-verify. problem is, our nation's agricultural states (which seem to lean mostly to the right) are seekin' to block it. the US Chamber of Commerce has also been a thorn in the side 'o leglistlators who wish to have E-verify set sail. obviously, immigration rights special interests be beatin' to quarters to oppose it. 'tis really a wide and diverse alliance thats makin' E-verify sit in drydock, me hearty.

Next please explain what procedure is the employer supposed to do to document that anyone and everyone is legal or illegal.

see above, aye.

imma also surprised to see such tepid support fer this wall that folks from the Republic party hath advocated collectin' donations fer...then again, 'tis not so surprisin', since the top two employers in Arizona don't want this wall built and do not support Governor Brewer's attempt to stauch the influx 'o illegal immigrants to the state.

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy Forplay



it seems the best way to do this would be to institute E-verify. problem is, our nation's agricultural states (which seem to lean mostly to the right) are seekin' to block it.



see above, aye.

- MeadHallPirate

Oh, so we need an E-verify card, only because our government will not close the border, or do anything else to stop illegals from coming into this country. Yet I see you criticize companies for hiring illegals without any way to verify if they are legal or illegal. Interesting how you demonize businesses but give the government a pass.

I ask would the local police be able to ask for anyone's E-verify card. And if so, what would happen if they did not have one? As it is now the government does not export illegals unless they are repeat felony criminals. So how is an E-verify going to keep illegals out?

The government cannot now ask a person for their immigration status nor any local authorities, so how do you expect any employer be able to ask?

I mean as the laws are today no one can profile or ask for documentation of status, so how is a E-verify card going to do any good. I mean you would have to change all kinds of laws for any and all enforcement to be able to ask for their status card. Which they cannot do under current law.

You give a short answer but you exclude the big picture. So I ask you to be specific on how all this E-verify would work?

I would be for an E-verify card if all the laws supported such a card that any official could ask for at any time with no restrictions and export anyone that does not have one. Lets say you?

Originally Posted by goober

It's like that Texas law that makes it a crime to hire an illegal alien, unless you need something done for cheap....

I live in Houston and that's funny that it's against the law.

Mexicans are everywhere doing manual type jobs.

I can't imagine seeing a bus boy, lawn crew, work crew, janitor, etc etc, who doesn't look like he crossed the border.

Originally Posted by Latterbach

Don't sell Arizona short, they have done more with their State government than Texas, New Mexico, (illegal friendly), and California combined. My question is where is the help from the Midwest, South and Northeast United States on illegal immigration?

These areas do not understand the threat of illegal immigration. During the recent flooding in the Northeast, I noticed the news reports seemed to focus on Mexicans in the Northeast. When you hear that broken English with a Mexican accent, people in the Southwest immediately suspect an illegal. Apparently, the Northeast has not figure it out - wake up! You are being invaded!

They already took over down here. Literally. According to the last census, hispanics are the majority. They breed like rabbits in an unspoken movement to take over. It's called the Atzlan movement.

I can't tell you how many times I see the ubiquitous young Mexican mom with two kids in tow and one in the oven walking to the bus stop or something. Probably going to the store to buy food with food stamps.

But we're just racist rednecks so don't listen to us.

Originally Posted by Jihad4Beer

They already took over down here. Literally. According to the last census, hispanics are the majority. They breed like rabbits in an unspoken movement to take over. It's called the Atzlan movement.

I can't tell you how many times I see the ubiquitous young Mexican mom with two kids in tow and one in the oven walking to the bus stop or something. Probably going to the store to buy food with food stamps.

But we're just racist rednecks so don't listen to us.

You say stuff like that and wonder why we call you racist.

Originally Posted by Forplay

Oh, so we need an E-verify card, only because our government will not close the border, or do anything else to stop illegals from coming into this country. Yet I see you criticize companies for hiring illegals without any way to verify if they are legal or illegal. Interesting how you demonize businesses but give the government a pass.

I ask would the local police be able to ask for anyone's E-verify card. And if so, what would happen if they did not have one? As it is now the government does not export illegals unless they are repeat felony criminals. So how is an E-verify going to keep illegals out?

ahoy Forplay,

well...if them illegal immigrants can't be hired without an E-verify card, they'll self deport, me friend.

the problem be that too many intrests in our great country don't want E-verify implemented...in which case, 'tis not the government thats the problem, 'tis the people. you know, folks like the skippers who helm the bridge fer mighty companies like Wal-Mart and Banner Health.

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by Hoplite

You say stuff like that and wonder why we call you racist.

lol......

So you admit that you and this collective "We" you speak of, have a prejudice against people in the south.

The hypocrisy is that you are being exactly that which offends you.

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy mateys,

back in July, our righteous brothers and sisters in Arizona decided that 'twas time to stop dickin' around and finally build a militarized fence to keep the evil brown folks from invadin' our country.




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well...'tis almost september, and thus far they've raised...

$1.5 million.

thats not very good, aye...and thats considerin' that this puny amount be all they've raised after launchin' thar effort to much fanfare and press.

why don't folks in Arizona care about keepin' our nation safe from the brown scourge that be invadin' our nation?

- MeadHallPirate

Ahoy Pirate,

If thar be a bunch 'o swabbys willin' to voluntarily give away $1.5 million of thar hard earned monies, I'd say they be carin' alot.

Aye.

- Capt'n Hairball

Originally Posted by Jihad4Beer

I live in Houston and that's funny that it's against the law.

Mexicans are everywhere doing manual type jobs.

I can't imagine seeing a bus boy, lawn crew, work crew, janitor, etc etc, who doesn't look like he crossed the border.

That's actually the basis for ACLU and others opposing enforcement. You're profiling. You do know that Texas was part of Mexico before whites showed up, right? The vast majority of "mexicans" in Texas are hispanic US citizens., not illegals.

Whatever criticism Perry has on this issue, he's ahead of e-verify. You won't need papers or even taking someone to the police station to check their status. Just a hand-held scanner. Texas is building a State-wide biometric database through the DMV. You have to prove citizenship and give a thumbprint to get or renew a driver's license here.

Originally Posted by Hoplite

You say stuff like that and wonder why we call you racist.

Speak for yourself. Leave me out of your, "WE", shit.