Thread: Hispanic Culture Should Be Invisible in the United States.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

Anchor baby is a stupid offensive name that some idiots use without thinking. Hey genius you are. Anchor baby. You are saying anyone born here can't be a citizen or are you saying just the ones not white?

I'm far from being an idiot and yes, they are freaking anchor babies regardless of the color of their skin because they tie their illegal parents to the US by virtue of their citizenship. It's not suppose to be that way but let someone say they need to deport the parents and the bleeding heart morons scream that you can't because the baby is a citizen. Screw that shit. If mom and dad aren't legal then the baby shouldn't be either. Amend the Constitution and you won't have illegal pregnant women crossing the border to have their babies here so they can suck off the tits of the US government.

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

I'm far from being an idiot and yes, they are freaking anchor babies regardless of the color of their skin because they tie their illegal parents to the US by virtue of their citizenship. It's not suppose to be that way but let someone say they need to deport the parents and the bleeding heart morons scream that you can't because the baby is a citizen. Screw that shit. If mom and dad aren't legal then the baby shouldn't be either. Amend the Constitution and you won't have illegal pregnant women crossing the border to have their babies here so they can suck off the tits of the US government.

your family both sides were here from the start?

Originally Posted by thanatos144

your family both sides were here from the start?

Some were here from the start, others immigrated here from Ireland LEGALLY, so what's your point?

Originally Posted by Hoplite

More of an observation.

People are plenty happy to rage when "them damn Mexi-cans 'r gettin' free handouts" but seem to brush it off or not be too concerned when companies making billions of dollars get free handouts at our expense.


Oh please. That's insightful.


And thats undocumented worker's fault...how? I didn't say it was his fault, but I'm paying for it. Why is that?


And you knew they were undocumented...how? The same way you "know" I'm a racist.


And lots more funding, ready to pony up some tax dollars? Once they are in their home country, it's not our problem.


That is...pretty disturbing and pretty much a guarantee you wont see any undocumented immigrants in the ER which, as anyone familiar with epidemiology can tell you, is always a bad idea. Yes, it may cost us some money but having a population avoiding medical treatment for fear of "interrogation" ensures that if some sort of infectious disease takes hold in that population, it will spread rapidly due to the lack of medical treatment and become well-established. At least they won't be in my kids' schools


No, no it doesnt. We dont have an official language and we dont need one. And just what the hell IS American culture? No one seems to be able to explain that. American culture is not celebrating Cinco De Mayo or Ramadan. Are you saying we have no culture? Having different languages divides us.


Good luck enforcing that.


Actually the constitutionality of this is not up for debate; if you are born on American soil, you are an American citizen.


That isnt the job of the military and sealing the borders will do exactly squat to hurt the drug cartels. You also have to contend with the Posse Comitatus Act which forbids the use of the military to enforce domestic laws, essentially you cant use the military as a police force. Additionally, less than half (IIRC) of undocumented immigrants get into the US via the border so yes you might stem part of the problem but you haven't really solved it. Protecting our borders from those who would invade, bring drugs and diseases, and steal from us isn't a military function?

Why should I pay for them breaking laws I have to live by?

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

Some were here from the start, others immigrated here from Ireland LEGALLY, so what's your point?

Then you are a anchor baby...... All it means is you were a born citizen. You and others want to take away born citizen rights to Americans cause thier parents are criminals. Should a murders children be put to death cause of what he did? The sins of the parents should never be visited on the children. It is not right. How about we stop them from being born here at all by keeping them in their country instead of pissing on the constitution?

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

We actually get something back from big business but what do we get back from illegals? Not a freaking thing. And please, don't start about them picking fruit because my city or surrounding area doesn't have even one fruit orchard and yet, the damn illegals have nearly taken over one previous nice section of town. They provide NOTHING for my city and yet, the state gives them food stamps, free health care, free education for their anchor babies, etc.

As someone who lives very near a part of America that produces a great deal of the produce that America consumes, I can promise you that the cost of labor is an important factor when it comes to determining the cost of produce.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-04-13/p..._s=PM:POLITICS

You also have a lot of American who just wont do these kinds of jobs. It's a hard job and it's not steady work. Why make minimum wage on a job that lasts a few weeks, maybe a month, is incredibly physically demanding, does not provide you with any room for advancement, does not give you any skills useful in working other jobs, and is not a stepping stone to anything else? Why do all that when you can work at Target and get roughly the same thing without the physically demanding part and still gain experience that other jobs consider useful? You'd probably get paid more as well and it's steady work.

If we cut off all the free shit they get, they'd have to move on but our federal government is too pussified when it comes to illegals and for what? A freaking voting bloc.

Erm...undocumented immigrants cant vote.

if I had my way, we'd declare open season, starting with the border.

Yes, shooting people trying to cross the border. I see NO way that could possibly fail.

And what is this fixation with the border and Latino immigrants? There ARE other people who are here and they dont all hop the border, not even a majority do.

Originally Posted by Hoplite

More of an observation.

People are plenty happy to rage when "them damn Mexi-cans 'r gettin' free handouts" but seem to brush it off or not be too concerned when companies making billions of dollars get free handouts at our expense.


Oh please.


And thats undocumented worker's fault...how?


And you knew they were undocumented...how?


And lots more funding, ready to pony up some tax dollars?


That is...pretty disturbing and pretty much a guarantee you wont see any undocumented immigrants in the ER which, as anyone familiar with epidemiology can tell you, is always a bad idea. Yes, it may cost us some money but having a population avoiding medical treatment for fear of "interrogation" ensures that if some sort of infectious disease takes hold in that population, it will spread rapidly due to the lack of medical treatment and become well-established.


No, no it doesnt. We dont have an official language and we dont need one. And just what the hell IS American culture? No one seems to be able to explain that.


Good luck enforcing that.


Actually the constitutionality of this is not up for debate; if you are born on American soil, you are an American citizen.


That isnt the job of the military and sealing the borders will do exactly squat to hurt the drug cartels. You also have to contend with the Posse Comitatus Act which forbids the use of the military to enforce domestic laws, essentially you cant use the military as a police force. Additionally, less than half (IIRC) of undocumented immigrants get into the US via the border so yes you might stem part of the problem but you haven't really solved it.


Many are already, thanks to our economy.

Often we are a mirror image of that which we castigate. IMO you are putting out the straight dope !

Originally Posted by Hoplite

As someone who lives very near a part of America that produces a great deal of the produce that America consumes, I can promise you that the cost of labor is an important factor when it comes to determining the cost of produce.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-04-13/p..._s=PM:POLITICS

You also have a lot of American who just wont do these kinds of jobs. It's a hard job and it's not steady work. ...

I know Americans who do those jobs, harvesting cranberries the other harvests apples. One is an apple pickers he is working with folks that start at the north on the east coast and work their way down, most of his fellow workers are Jamaican, he has no idea who is legal or a guest worker. The work is long they get about 12 cents a pound for the apples they pick, experienced laborers manage 50 or more bushels a day That's $250.00+ a day picking apples, better than many other low skill seasonal jobs you can get walking in off the street.

Originally Posted by JDJarvis

I know Americans who do those jobs, harvesting cranberries the other harvests apples. The apple pickers he is working with start at the north on the east coast and work their way down, most of his fellow workers are Jamaican, he has no idea who is legal or a guest worker. The work is long they get about 12 cents a pound for the apples they pick, experienced laborers manage 50 or more bushels a day That's $250.00+ a day picking apples, better than many other low skill seasonal jobs you can get walking in off the street.

I cant say I'm familiar with harvesting cranberries or apples. But I promise you $250 a day is far more than your average laborer picking oranges or strawberries in California gets. When I was doing it, we got $50 a day.

But again, you underscore my point; such work is seasonal and even if you can stretch it out over several months, you have to live a transient lifestyle that is not conducive to furthering an education or having a family. That's a lot to forego for not very much in return. I dont know anyone who has ever retired picking fruit.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

Then you are a anchor baby...... All it means is you were a born citizen.

I know you are more intelligent than this asinine remark but in case I misjudged you, my mother didn't illegally jump the border in order to have a baby that would anchor her to the US.

You and others want to take away born citizen rights to Americans cause thier parents are criminals. It is not right.

No, I don't want to take away rights, I just don't want to give them in the first place. If the parents are legal, then the child is legal. If the parents are illegal, they shouldn't reap the benefits of the US just because they managed to escape the border patrol in order to have their anchor baby.

Should a murders children be put to death cause of what he did? The sins of the parents should never be visited on the children.

I'm beginning to think I did misjudge you.

How about we stop them from being born here at all by keeping them in their country instead of pissing on the constitution?

As long as you hand out freebies just because the parents were lucky enough to get in the country illegally, we're not going to stop them from coming. Take away the freebies associated with anchor babies, fine and/or shut down companies who hire illegals, allow police to check immigration status, etc. and the illegals won't have much incentive to cross the border.

Should a bank robber's children get to keep spending the money their parent stole?

Originally Posted by Hoplite

As someone who lives very near a part of America that produces a great deal of the produce that America consumes, I can promise you that the cost of labor is an important factor when it comes to determining the cost of produce.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-04-13/p..._s=PM:POLITICS

You also have a lot of American who just wont do these kinds of jobs. It's a hard job and it's not steady work. Why make minimum wage on a job that lasts a few weeks, maybe a month, is incredibly physically demanding, does not provide you with any room for advancement, does not give you any skills useful in working other jobs, and is not a stepping stone to anything else? Why do all that when you can work at Target and get roughly the same thing without the physically demanding part and still gain experience that other jobs consider useful? You'd probably get paid more as well and it's steady work.

Got people on welfare because they choose not to work? Put their asses out there picking fruit as part of the welfare qualifications. You've got prisons full of non-violent drug offenders who could be hired out at less than you pay illegals.

Erm...undocumented immigrants cant vote.

Never said they could.

Yes, shooting people trying to cross the border. I see NO way that could possibly fail.

And what is this fixation with the border and Latino immigrants? There ARE other people who are here and they dont all hop the border, not even a majority do.

Funny that all the illegals I have contact with are from south of the border.

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

Got people on welfare because they choose not to work? Put their asses out there picking fruit as part of the welfare qualifications.

That's already a part of our program. Furthermore, picking fruit is an incredibly physically demanding job. I'm a fairly fit and healthy individual and even I had a difficult time keeping up. Many people on welfare often have physical health problems, in many cases that is why they're on welfare to begin with.

Additionally I don't see cause for your concept that there are that many people on welfare that refuse to work.

You've got prisons full of non-violent drug offenders who could be hired out at less than you pay illegals.

Except you'll have to pay more than their meager wages. You'll have to pay corrections officers to oversee the prisoners, you'll have to pay their medical expenses if they are hurt, you will have to foot the bill for any searches that happen as a result of escape attempts, you'll have to pay for their transportation and lodging (not all prisons are within a convenient distance of fields in need of harvesting). It looked good in Shawshank Redemption, but in the modern world it's not a fiscally beneficial arrangement.

Never said they could.

That's what you saying "If we cut off all the free shit they get, they'd have to move on but our federal government is too pussified when it comes to illegals and for what? A freaking voting bloc." conveys.

Funny that all the illegals I have contact with are from south of the border.

Y'know, there ARE more countries than Mexico south of the border.