Thread: Hispanic Culture Should Be Invisible in the United States.

Originally Posted by Hoplite

Being able-bodied and on welfare is not the same as being on welfare and refusing to work. I also see it every day, I personally am a recipient of food stamps and I spend a great deal of time (more than I care to think about) in the California DPSS office with other people who are on various forms of public assistance. Everyone's situation is unique.

I'm not talking about people who need a hand up, I'm talking about those that make welfare a way of life and you know it.

I have no problem with it, I just dont think you can do it in a way that's economical and wont end up costing you more than you'll benefit or save.

There's no reason it can't be done feasibly in many areas.

Do you really think voters make their decision based on one single issue?

Tell politicians that...they're the ones trying to be PC.

Look a little harder, you'll find Chinese, Thai, Ukranian, Russian, Indian, and Korean immigrants who are also undocumented.

Not a problem in my town. Those from south of the border are though.

Originally Posted by Texan

The burden of supporting illegals is becoming unbearable. My dad retired from construction with almost nothing because he couldn't compete with companies hiring illegals and not paying taxes. I almost lost a son in an ER to meningitis while waiting behind a line of illegals. I've lost 3 friends to drunk drivers who were also illegal aliens. My friends cars have been wrecked by illegals who were not even ticketed for their bad driving or their illegal immigration. I have to get special insurance to cover my vehicles just in case I am hit by an illegal. My tax dollars pay all kinds of welfare as a welcoming beacon to anybody willing to sneak over and claim it.

Here is what I would do:

1. Enforce all immigration laws on the books. (This will require Federal cooperation.)
2. All illegals will get emergency medical care. After their medical care, they will be interrogated to locate family members and deported.
3. No state or federal funds will go towards supporting illegals living in America.
4. English will be the official language of America. All education will be in English and all government forms will be in English. (Supporting multiple languages leads to divisions in the American culture.)
5. Employers who knowingly hire illegals will pay heavy fines and repeat offenders will go to jail in addition of fines.
6. Anchor babies are no more. Citizenship is only granted if at least one parent is already an American citizen. (The constitutionality of this is up for debate or the constitution can be ammended, but we can't afford to give citizenship to criminals or terrorist sympathizers.)
7. The borders will be sealed by our military. (This will keep the freeloaders out and hurt the drug cartels bottom line)

Most aliens will self deport. They will be granted one way passage back to their home country once they are searched for drugs, weapons, etc.... Once Mexico cannot import their problems to us, they will be forced to deal with them themselves. We will intervene militarily only when the Mexican government requests our help.

I like your plan, of course you must be prepared to be called a bigot for asking for law enforcement on the borders, and getting the illegals out of the American taxpayers wallet. The United States spends $113 billion a year on education, health care, and welfare of criminal illegal aliens and their anchor babies. You might find this link interesting it is about Operation Wetback under President Eisenhower. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

I'm not talking about people who need a hand up, I'm talking about those that make welfare a way of life and you know it.

Considering you can only collect benefits for a limited time (1-2 years IIRC) I dont see how that's possible.

There's no reason it can't be done feasibly in many areas.

I dont see that it can be. I think you are gravely underestimating how complicated (and expensive) a proposition this is.

Tell politicians that...they're the ones trying to be PC.

They're trying to be populist because that's what you want.

Not a problem in my town. Those from south of the border are though.

I live in Los Angeles

Originally Posted by Hoplite

More of an observation.

People are plenty happy to rage when "them damn Mexi-cans 'r gettin' free handouts" but seem to brush it off or not be too concerned when companies making billions of dollars get free handouts at our expense.

So, your argument is don't nail the illegal aliens who are stealing because we should nail corporations. Frankly, I like the idea of going after the corporations. However, corporations and their employees are American CITIZENS so they get a seat at the table - illegals do not. We have 12,000,000 of these peon invaders absorbing $113 BILLION a year in taxpayer assets. That is about as much as the cost of a year of War in Afghanistan.

Who do you think you are fooling?

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

I know you are more intelligent than this asinine remark but in case I misjudged you, my mother didn't illegally jump the border in order to have a baby that would anchor her to the US.


No, I don't want to take away rights, I just don't want to give them in the first place. If the parents are legal, then the child is legal. If the parents are illegal, they shouldn't reap the benefits of the US just because they managed to escape the border patrol in order to have their anchor baby.


I'm beginning to think I did misjudge you.



As long as you hand out freebies just because the parents were lucky enough to get in the country illegally, we're not going to stop them from coming. Take away the freebies associated with anchor babies, fine and/or shut down companies who hire illegals, allow police to check immigration status, etc. and the illegals won't have much incentive to cross the border.

fact is babies born here and constitutionaly made citizens. If e take that away we leave it open to rules being made that we all have to do.something more to be a citizen. How would you like of if they say that now your children have to wait till they are 18 or have to do service to be a citizen? The right to be born an American is not there to make a loophole for some illegal it is there to protect our children. Now if we didn't have freebies for them they wouldn't come here as much I agree. I am saying before do.something stupid to the constitution let's do something about why they are comming here . Nothing says no jobs for you like hiring them makes you a criminal that can lose his business license and pay 45% of your income for a year in fines.

Originally Posted by Hoplite

Considering you can only collect benefits for a limited time (1-2 years IIRC) I dont see how that's possible.

There are exceptions to the federal laws than mandate how long a non-working person can receive food stamps:
Having a child under 17 in the household (which, of course, encourages more children being born to welfare recipients)
Medical condition prevents employment
Over the age of 50 or under the age of 17

I dont see that it can be. I think you are gravely underestimating how complicated (and expensive) a proposition this is.

Oh well...we'll have to agree to disagree.

They're trying to be populist because that's what you want.

That's why I want?

I live in Los Angeles

I'm sorry.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

fact is babies born here and constitutionaly made citizens. If e take that away we leave it open to rules being made that we all have to do.something more to be a citizen. How would you like of if they say that now your children have to wait till they are 18 or have to do service to be a citizen? The right to be born an American is not there to make a loophole for some illegal it is there to protect our children. Now if we didn't have freebies for them they wouldn't come here as much I agree. I am saying before do.something stupid to the constitution let's do something about why they are comming here . Nothing says no jobs for you like hiring them makes you a criminal that can lose his business license and pay 45% of your income for a year in fines.

Geez! An amendment reading something to the effect of "children born in the US are citizens at birth if at least one parent is a legal US citizen" leaves nothing open. I agree that the right to be born an American was not originally there as a loophole but that's what it has become and turning a blind eye to the problem doesn't make it go away.
I'm glad you agree that we need to stop the free shit illegals get and I have no problem with the 45% (or more) fines for employers who hire illegals.

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

Geez! An amendment reading something to the effect of "children born in the US are citizens at birth if at least one parent is a legal US citizen" leaves nothing open. I agree that the right to be born an American was not originally there as a loophole but that's what it has become and turning a blind eye to the problem doesn't make it go away.
I'm glad you agree that we need to stop the free shit illegals get and I have no problem with the 45% (or more) fines for employers who hire illegals.

It takes a constitutional amendment and for what? the ability to seem elite? Or a minor patch to the bigger problem?The real solution has very little to do with the illegals and everything to do with the fact that people employ them. If they couldn't get work they wouldn't come. Taxes, regulation and cheap labor with very little risk is what causes this problem.

Originally Posted by Hoplite

More of an observation.

People are plenty happy to rage when "them damn Mexi-cans 'r gettin' free handouts" but seem to brush it off or not be too concerned when companies making billions of dollars get free handouts at our expense.

That's just how you choose to frame the discussion and bears little resemblance to the truth. The left has gotten fantastic mileage out of the race card but the vast majority of Americans want our government to run smoothly without corruption regardless of race. Government involvement should be limited to defending property rights, individual rights, and other functions of government (minting, regulating weights and balances, etc.) while leaving everything else up to the free market.

It's a two way street though and in my experience the left wants to have their cake and eat it too when it comes to corporate welfare and regulations.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

It takes a constitutional amendment and for what? the ability to seem elite? Or a minor patch to the bigger problem?The real solution has very little to do with the illegals and everything to do with the fact that people employ them. If they couldn't get work they wouldn't come. Taxes, regulation and cheap labor with very little risk is what causes this problem.

That sounds good but the only way to really combat taxes, regulation, and cheap labor in regard to risk is to prop up Central and South American until their economies are as strong as ours; which isn't too realistic.

Originally Posted by Wagner

That sounds good but the only way to really combat taxes, regulation, and cheap labor in regard to risk is to prop up Central and South American until their economies are as strong as ours; which isn't too realistic.

No it is to make it so painful to hire illegals that a only the stupid would do it. It should be a crime to hire illegal aliens.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

Anchor baby is a stupid offensive name that some idiots use without thinking. Hey genius you are. Anchor baby. You are saying anyone born here can't be a citizen or are you saying just the ones not white?

Where did I mention race? I'm talking about anyone in this country illegally. I don't care if they are from Switzerland or Kenya.

How am I an anchor baby? My family has been here since the American Revolution, except foe my indian ancestors.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

No it is to make it so painful to hire illegals that a only the stupid would do it. It should be a crime to hire illegal aliens.

It is a crime to hire illegal immigrants but that is an even more unrealistic solution than improving all Central and South American economies to put them on par with the U.S.